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Thank you, Verdant.
If you have not yet already, please read my earlier post and comment on your position on closing embassies with the region of Force. Here's my post for those who may have missed it.
Kyratistani, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, New ladavia, and 9 othersNorthern Wood, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
I haven't said it yet, but I am in favour of putting this to vote. I would also likely vote in favour of the embassy closure.
Verdant Haven, Einswenn, Sacara, Kyratistani, and 10 othersAtsvea, Ruinenlust, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
Interesting. My experience is the very opposite but that seems to be exactly because I’m not that new generation anymore and I don’t use to interact much with people younger than me [insert anxious laughter]. All of those what I call “new genders thingy” adepts appear online only, maybe because it’s the safest and easiest place to come out and be yourself. In real life I know/knew quite a lot of gays, a very few lesbians, one transgender person, and two bisexual. Never met anyone else of those limitless new genders (including non-binary which is basically a mystery for me still since there is no one to educate me enough on their own example) and orientations, that also could be because I simply didn’t know the person I am talking to is one of them.
I’m all for referendum too, voting on whether to keep or to close the embassy.
Verdant Haven, Sacara, Kyratistani, Atsvea, and 11 othersRuinenlust, Terrabod, Lura, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
RE the WA; I have voted in favour of the resolution against the majority's vote as the evidence has increasingly been mounting that corporal punishment doesn't do good things for children, only harm. Now, I can see flaws in the resolution, but for now believe it is better to vote for it and correct the mistakes later rather than vote against it, which can easily be interpreted as NS being in favour of the practice.
Anyway, now for the real stuff.
It's good that you have brought this up- this very issue was brought to my attention yesterday, but since I was travelling on that day I was not able to properly assess the situation in much depth at that time.
Oh well, guess it's the task for this morning....
Force's leadership's actions are either dark or stupid, and in my assessment both. The actions they carried out against The Social Syndicalist Union in particular fill me with a special kind of horror, since refounding was and continues to be a potential action that this very region may do. In fact, spoiler alert, the government is planning on launching a formal consultation/debate on the subject of security, with all options on the table.
Their argument for interfering in a refounding process, stealing a community's history and very name, was initially that it was a joke. Now, I myself know of a very prominent group who see this kind of action as a gag as well- raiders. And I get it. NationStates is an online space, it's not real life, and much of it is bent towards comedy. In the issues, or in the RPs, or in F7. Regions however, are not. Real people put in a lot of real time and effort to build up thriving communities that support each other, share common interests and mutually have a good time. To destroy this is like kicking down a sand castle, while the creator is there watching in horror.
If this was just some misunderstanding or ill-thought-out joke then, that might be one thing, but it's become more than that. As we can see from this statement 
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=505644 as well as their words in the RMB, the natives of Force are seemingly unrepentant of their leadership's actions. They brush it aside as a small thing, that hating on them is a fad, or that despite their actions they should not face repercussions for these actions. In addition, the reasoning for these actions are flipping like a coin in a best of 10 tossing contest. First it's a joke, then it's because their founder had a feud with one of the target region's natives, then it's back to a joke, then it's about their influence.... well, I think you see the point. If it was just that, they'd be sticking to that original story, apologising profusely.
Force is Forest's newest embassy. Our time together has been less than a year. Our interactions are not impressive for such a relationship anyway. There is little loss in going for a vote and closing.
I hereby am joining the calls for a vote on this embassy, and in addition will open it myself this afternoon unless someone raises a valid objection or a drastic change in circumstances gives me pause for thought.
Sounds like something to check out in settings, maybe?
Verdant Haven, Einswenn, Felinetopia, Kyratistani, and 15 othersMount Seymour, Daarwyrth, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Terrabod, New ladavia, Northern Wood, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
But doesn’t NS voting in favour of the practice display that NS is for it? I mean, yeah, there are slightly more votes against rather than votes for the resolution but still that’s how they feel ergo that’s the will of the international community.
And yes, since I’m personally voting against I use this argument of the international community’s will which doesn’t work and is considered invalid in those other cases where the majority picks the opposite option than mine. What do they call it? Politics?
Kyratistani, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Middle Barael, and 7 othersNation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
We do indeed, and in keeping with how the regional flag variant scheme will work (with variants used to recognise particularly special days in Forest's calendar) we'll be flying that flag on the anniversary of the very first pride demonstrations, namely the 28th of June.
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With that, I have some other Ministry of Culture news.
It's but one week until the anniversary of Forest's refounding back in 2007. As such, I was thinking it'd be a nice thing for us all to share some thoughts about Forest to mark the occasion. If you're an older nation and you have any personal anecdotes, or a younger nation that wishes to express something you really like about our region, then the 8th of June would be an excellent opportunity to voice those sentiments.
Best wishes,
Terrabod
Culture Minister
Einswenn, Kyratistani, Chan island, Mount Seymour, and 15 othersDaarwyrth, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, New ladavia, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Arklanda, Difinbelk, The most serene republicans, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
I wish I knew. I barely can open Photoshop lest make something this good.
I'm not quite that sure that there is a solid reasoning for why this occurs. However, my personal friend group is quite balanced with around an equal amount of both sides. Being of one of the youngest demographics (High School) I guess my data is a bit contradictory but I don't think that anecdotal evidence is quite strong though, so I still have no idea.
Kyratistani, Atsvea, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and 7 othersDifinbelk, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
Maybe some people are becoming less strict. I know many people who say they are bisexual or non-binary, but do not have true gender dysphoria and only meet heterosexually. Because in the West it is now acceptable to always be part of the gay minority, whereas for the elderly it was stricter and therefore less common, and instead they chose to be a gay minority only if they were very confident.
Atsvea, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, and 4 othersThe new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Greene valley
First time making a poll. The fact that NS has no preview function for them is deeply cursed.
Anyway, here ya go.
Kyratistani, Daarwyrth, Atsvea, Terrabod, and 9 othersMiddle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Difinbelk, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
Yes, first vote! Also, you cant reference regions in polls sadly, and that will forever curse the poll. Though, since only 1 person has voted it's not too late to change that.
Kyratistani, Chan island, Daarwyrth, Atsvea, and 9 othersTerrabod, Middle Barael, Difinbelk, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
Post self-deleted by Chan island.
Happy Pride Month from Canada everyone!
Cameroi, Octopus islands, Kyratistani, Mount Seymour, and 11 othersDaarwyrth, Atsvea, Terrabod, New ladavia, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
Looks like it. For some reason I thought that all of the previous ones were doing that, but nope, had to double check.
Okay, third time lucky, fixed XD. Just, like, vote and stuff.
Mount Seymour, Daarwyrth, Atsvea, Hoochlandia, and 9 othersTerrabod, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
From the way people responded on the RMB I believe the outcome of the vote is fairly easy to predict, but even if it is only a formality it is good that the vote/referendum is held!
Sacara, Kyratistani, Chan island, Atsvea, and 12 othersHoochlandia, Terrabod, Lura, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Difinbelk, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
Yeah there are certainly many, many more non-binary and genderqueer people in younger generations than there are in older generations, but even just with the sexual orientations (which is easier for many to wrap their head around than the different gender identities) there is a dichotomy. Like bisexual, pansexual, asexual, demisexual, polysexual, etc there are more younger people than older. I think with older generations you were considered either straight or gay/lesbian, and people did not really think as much about the in-between, so like Capitalist kazakhstan said the less "confident" bi and pan and ace people simply sank into the straight majority. Like even though my parents obviously know what gay and lesbian and bisexual are, they still didn't know pansexual or demisexual or polysexual until I explained them. Meanwhile, for people in my generation (Gen Z), we know all these terms and understand much more clearly the fact that there is indeed an in-between, and that there are more than two sides.
Einswenn, Kyratistani, Atsvea, Terrabod, and 8 othersNew ladavia, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, Capitalist kazakhstan, and Greene valley
That is the original flag of Armenia it used to be rainbow for reasons that are not pride month hopefully he means he supports Armenians instead of making fun for being Gaymenians like some people who are racist do to to me and other Armenians
Also hi i am new :)
Kyratistani, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Terrabod, and 8 othersNew ladavia, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
The thing I wonder about is when the current stage, characterized by an immense proliferation of distinct gender and sexual identities, will cease -- and what the next stage will be.
If we truly recognized sexuality (and to some extent gender) as a gradient or a spectrum, the question "what is your sexual orientation?" would be somewhat confusing or unanswerable, because it demands a discrete answer from something that's not actually discrete. It'd be like asking "are you attracted to people with blond hair, yes or no?" -- some people would give a confident "yes" or a confident "no", but many would hedge around a bit and be somewhere in the middle. But no one would label themselves in a specific way, à la "demiblondsexual" or "polyhaircolorsexual" or "heterohaircolorromantic and unnaturallycoloredhairsexual", simply because people realize that those are just relatively arbitrary classes applied on top of a continuous spectrum that allows for pretty much any combination of anything. You could make as many different discrete classes of hair color attraction as you can think of and you'd still only be approaching the truth, which is probably that it's slightly different for everyone. Really, to both "what is your sexual orientation?" and "are you attracted to people with blond hair, yes or no?", the answer for most people is probably "It's complicated."
Now -- I don't mean to diminish the importance of these newly-named identities or ridicule them. They're miles better than just "gay/lesbian", or worse, "normal" versus "deviant". Especially in a world where LGBTQ+ rights are still far from a surety and discrimination is extensive, discrete labelled identities that allow somewhat alike people to find each other and associate with each other are valuable. Having a label of "pansexual" is useful in that it gives people who are similar enough to each other a specific identity to rally around and a critical mass to make their voices heard. But as LGBTQ+ people -- even these lesser-known identities -- become more and more broadly accepted (hopefully), will we see a distinct LGBTQ+ community continue to remain strong? Will the massive diversity of discrete identities persist? Or will the next generation that comes after us look back and say: "Well, it was a necessary step to get where we are now, and I get why they needed to experiment and carve new terms out for themselves in a world where sexual orientation was all grouped into one thing or the other, but honestly the way they tried to make a name for everything and put it in a little box was ridiculous. I'm so glad I can just be who I am."
The proliferation of neo-identities strikes me as valuable, but transitional. It doesn't feel like a "new normal" so much as a halfway point: we've realized that sexuality and gender aren't binary, but we haven't yet realized that they aren't discrete either. I sort of look forward to the day when we've realized both.
Einswenn, Kyratistani, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, and 9 othersUan aa Boa, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Difinbelk, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
Call me boomer but it felt way easier and clearer when there were less various genders and orientations and LGBT abbreviation was quite ultimate. My farthermost personal progress was (is?) first to fully understand the addition of Q to LGBT, then Q+. Maybe it’s because I don’t use to interact with “Q+” in daily life or at all but I’m good with basic and classic parts of the community identifications
Sacara, Kyratistani, Ownzone, Atsvea, and 9 othersRuinenlust, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, The most serene republicans, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
I don't worry about labels, and I definitely agree that they aren't nearly as important as people think. Everyone can like who they like, how they like, as much as they like. But it does provide a sense of community, which is pretty important for a marginalized community, so as far as I can see, they are here to stay. It's easy to find people with the same label and instantly be able to share a lot of experiences and relate with one another.
I still just call it LGBT or LGBT+ for the record, I think that's long enough for now. I think it's implied that it includes otherwise not cishet people who aren't specifically gay or bisexual.
Einswenn, Sacara, Kyratistani, Atsvea, and 9 othersMyordas, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Arklanda, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
This is a big part of why I eventually gave up on using LGBTQ+ terms to describe my attraction to people and willingness to enter relationships with a sexual element. While on more or less conservative places the vocabulary is very limited in terms of anything that's not heteronormative, in queer spaces, at least the gen y-z ones I'm used to, there's this sort of silent requirement for specificity and finding a term that accurately describes you 100% and if you can't find one... Make one. I definitely think that's very contradictory to the idea of a "spectrum" and honestly it's way easier to say, to use the hair color example, "I guess I like blond hair, yes".
This is also part of why I no longer call myself non-binary even though I could very accurately be described as such
I like to think about this in terms of "prescriptive" vs "descriptive" queerness. I don't have much against terms like "bigender", "greyssexual" and etc.. When they're used descriptively. But when there's a pressure for someone who sees themselves as both male and female to identify and act "bigender" or someone who'se sexual attraction flows between "a lot" and "nothing" to behave "greyssexualy" then these names become way more harmful than useful. This is a problem that has been in the LGBTQ+ world for a long time though. One good example is the almost eternal biphobia whenever a bisexual person enters a straight relationship as if they're somehow "being bi wrong". Even Glenn Greenwald recently leaked some of that biphobia into a very regrettable twitter thread, and he's a 54yo gay man so this can't be that new. I don't want to have to be peer-pressured into finding a box i fit in and then change myself so i fit that box better, as I did during a chunk of my teenage years (which I guess technically aren't over if you're using the american definition).
Or when they did, they didn't have a specific classification for it. Some people come to mind, like the activist Marsha P. Johnson who, if born today, might have described himself as some shade of non-binary. In the 70's he called himself a gay show drag, but his masculine-feminine ambiguity would often show up outside of his drag queen act instead of it being a strongly distinct part of his life.
I've stopped adding things after the "Q" for a long time now and so far nobody complained.
Einswenn, Kyratistani, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 11 othersRuinenlust, Uan aa Boa, Terrabod, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Difinbelk, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
I think the addition of the letters I and A are actually fairly important, as both technical branch the definition out of the "framework" that the others are using. But I'm a married friendless cishet dude, so I could be wrong :p
Kyratistani, Atsvea, Uan aa Boa, Middle Barael, and 7 othersNation of ecologists, The most serene republicans, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
Same here. In my vision, Q already includes all the other variations. If we would constantly add new letters the abbreviation would be literally endless (because the reasoning “other letters are also important” would apply to everything).
Sacara, Kyratistani, Atsvea, Middle Barael, and 6 othersNation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
if everyone just respected how each other wanted to think of themselves, there really wouldn't be any reason for there to be any big deal about it.
as far as i can figure there are basically five genders; what you were born with; male or female, what you weren't born with, male or female, or completely non-gendered or of a life form having some other non-binary means of reproduction.
none of which dictate nor are dictated by, anyone's outlook on any other aspect of life.
not getting into how voluntary or non-voluntary each of those perspectives might happen to be.
but i do believe "straight" genders are just as much if not more, acts that people put on, either to get layed, or just because it is what they believe other people expect of them.
the real alternative 'gender' is logic. to behave in whatever way contributes most to your surrounding world becoming more like the kind of world you wish to live in. and of course individual smilage can and will vary from one purson to another.
or even just mundane or bent, and mundaneness is for twits. i'm for making up your own species, let alone gender in it. yes, seriously. and i mean everyone.
Kyratistani, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Uan aa Boa, and 8 othersMiddle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, Femputer, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
Why is demisexuality considered a complete orientation? Not a preference? This is just an innocent question from someone in a conservative part of the world.
Kyratistani, Atsvea, Auphelia, Nation of ecologists, and 5 othersThe new dynasty, Talbot settlement, Femputer, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
New poll! Much excitement!
Merry June, all!
I am confused by this as well. From what I can tell, it is under the general umbrella of asexuality, but the specifics of what makes it distinct elude me. I am more than happy to support people who identify this way, even if I lack understanding. It is the least that can be done. (And if there is anything I love doing, it is the bare minimum.)
Cameroi, Kyratistani, Atsvea, Middle Barael, and 7 othersNation of ecologists, Rio real, The new dynasty, Talbot settlement, Femputer, The scientific utopias, and Capitalist kazakhstan
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