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I don't think that's a particularly hot take.
It's not really a hot take, it's just that people ignore Japan's warcrimes because of the new image they have created for themselves.
War crime commited on a war criminal is still a war crime. Honestly, the only reason IMO why Japan and Germany aren't eager to ask for any kind of compensation for things Allied soldiers did to them is because of how thoroughly occupational propaganda made them feel guilty on a national scale(more so relates to Germany than Japan, but still...). Granted, Axis committed things far more terrible, but white washing Allied nations by using comparison isn't an acceptable thing. You can't fight a war without war crimes, time has proven that more than enough times.
Japan was bad, yes, but was it really worth it to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people (babies, kids, elderly, etc) instead of letting actual trained adult soldiers fight? All those people did was being unclucky enough to be born and live in those two specific japanese cities?
Well, tbf, I can understand the Allied perspective on this matter - those people probably did nothing while Nanjing happened. But still, punishing civilians for deeds of military personnel isn't an acceptable behaviour. If anything, it's a terror tactic.
Considering what happened during the Allied invasion of Okinawa, where (iirc) school students were given hand grenades and told to not come back until or unless they'd killed an Allied soldier, I have a sneaking suspicion that it wouldn't have just been 'trained soldiers' fighting on the Japanese side.
Not Alone
It was time. Scouting parties have been outside for well over one year, and they had gathered quite a lot of info about neighbouring states. Thus, King Jeramie assembled his most trusted advisors to help develop a strategy regarding potential diplomatic efforts.
- I still think this is a waste of time. - Said General Ragnar. - We're doing just fine ourselves.
- We maybe are, good general, but if we could do better, why waste the chance? - King answered his questions. - And, what probably would concern you more, by making alliances with our neighbors now we are preventing any possibility of potential big coalition against us.
General huffed, but silently nodded. Thus, King Jeramie decided to begin announcing info scouts had brought in.
- So, first of all, to our east: Scouts haven't properly reached that area, but we're getting info of some nation called Northern Milestonia. And... What info we were able to get implies that said nation is, for lack of better word, awful. They're closed off society aggressive towards any and all foreighners. And while I'm eager to learn more... I would prefer to wait until our scouts learned more about art of infiltration in order not to send them into guaranteed death.
- Sounds fine. - Said General. - With your permission I'll take to strengthening our military preparations on eastern borderland.
- Granted. - Replied Jeramie. - Next up, to our northeast - scouts brought info about a nation called Kafkania, which they actually enterred and explored. It appears to be highly theocratic society, though, given some of their recent actions, they seem open to diplomatic endeavours.
- Exactly what actions are we talking about, your majesty? - Asked Nefaria, Royal advisor on Economic matters.
- They had signed a trade alliance with nearby nation of Percha, a maritime nation which seems to have trade as one of primary national income sources. Sadly, our scouts haven't reached said nation, thus I'm not certain about correctness of that info. - Replied King.
- ...Alright, I think I can work with that. - Nefaria said, after having some time to think. - There must be goods we can provide which they cannot get otherwise, or at least offer them better deal. And if not, we can try discussing non-interference agreements with those two.
- Excellent! - Exclaimed King. - Now, to the final topic: our scouts heading westward likewise failed to stumble into any nation, but they gathered rumors from travellers, and said rumors lead me to suspect that TIS might not be as gone as we thought...
At this sentence everyone present exclaimed one loud "WHAT?!"
- Trust me, I had same reaction upon reading the report. It says that TIS survived, though reduced only to it's core island, and that they recently crowned a new queen.
- Your majesty, this is highest military emergency! - With mix of anger and fear said General. - If TIS survives, they could still be out there for us!
- Hencewhy I don't intend to leave this issue unattended. - Young King announced. - I'll personally prepare new scouting party meant to reach TIS and find out if there's any ground for peace with out ancient enemy. If yes, then I will fight with all I got to achieve it! If not... May the Great Spider watch over our army. - After hearing this, everyone calmed down, though some were still worried about what the future held. - And that was our final topic. We all now have duties to attend to, so let's get to it and let's make Bugnarak proud!
Well tbf this kind of reaction is kinda expected when foreign invaders come to your doorstep.
P.S. I'm Eurasia, this is my RP alt, I'm just too lazy to log onto my main nation here or use another device to reply.
The point I was trying to make is that probably most of the Japanese people that would be killed if the Allies had had to resort to an invasion would have been civilians.
If the American soldiers had attacked, not only would more than a million American soldiers die but the Japanese would use those same children and elderly to fight in horrific ways. American lives aren't worth less than Japanese lives, nor vice versa.
That's basically the same thing as Japan firebombing Korea and China, and Nazi Germany bombing the UK. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were almost wholly unaffected by the war and bombing them would mean bombing major air and navy hubs.
Basically if any other country bombs civilian targets, it's fine and completely justified. But when the USA does the same it's "eViL cKaPitaList KilleRs bOmB InnNocCent KountRy"
Hello, i am the alt acc of Hetaru
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What was that?
With council said and done, and future actions laid out, King Jeramie decided to venture outside. Sure, he loved his kingdom, a true monument to what his people can build, but... Once he first saw the sky, the night sky to be exact, he fell in love with it. Millions upon millions of stars shining, each telling it's own story... So he kept, before going to sleep, coming up to see the night sky, and did it so often that guards at the entrance had gotten used to it.
- Good evening, Your Majesty. You're in luck - today's night is clear. Not a single cloud.
- Excellent! Today really seems to be one of my best days! Thank you all!
The guards simply nodded and allowed Jeramie to pass. He ventured into a small above-ground fortification, originally concieved as an emergency escape route for the king, thus it was properly fortified and hidden underneath the snow. His own private(well, aside from royal guards) slice of above. Jeramie ventured to the roof of fortification, and once again started marvelling at the sky, guessing what kind of stories were hidden behind their light...
As he was doing that, something unexpected happened - from the east some fiery object, which Jeramie could only describe as star-like, started making it's way upward. Jeramie could only marvel at the sight. It reached up, up and up, until stopping and falling back down, Jeramie feeling very light shaking of the ground.
- ...Did you see that?! - he asked, knowing full that at least some of the guards would be watching him.
- ...I did, Your Majesty. - Came the reply. - Do you have any idea what was that? It was like something straight out of legends!
- I have no idea, my friend. Though we could find out - it seemingly did hit the ground. - Upon voicing that phrase, Jeramie gasped - what was a light shaking here could very well be an earthquake down there - years of experience taught Bugnarak that. - But right now I have a people to attend! Let's go!
New Horizons
10 elite expeditions. Bravest of Bravest. All hand-selected for the mission set out for each of them.
- My dear friends, - King Jeramie began to say his speech, - you're venturing out on a dangerous, hard mission. As you know, aside from reports on surrounding nations, our scouting teams brought carefully made maps of terrain, evaluating it on many parameters. While originally it wasn't a priority, recent events, which we for now nicknamed "Ground Star", have caused us to accelerate planning on operation "Eastern Milestone". You all already know what this operation involves - set out to the eastern wilderness and set up fortresses akin to those our ancestors made upon first arriving to our land - those that would allow for further growth, especially underneath. That is the task of 9 of your groups. One final, - said team stepped forward, - has task way more difficult and dangerous - operation "Star Chase". Their goal is to go side by side with team headed for most eastern marked future fortress, and then continue eastward to examine the Starcrush spot and bring back any observations you may find. Those missions are all dangerous, but for the future of Bugnarak those tasks must be done. Time has come. Go forth, and may the Great Spider guide you on your every step.
With that, 10 expeditions had began their march eastward, towards new stories and new findings.
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On an unrelated note was I supposed to post my RP posts here too or not
That's the "Thou Cringer" guy in Discord.
In theory yes you are supposed to cross-post RP posts (or at least have a version of them visible on NS somewhere) but all the RP members so far are on the discord so it's fine if you don't. I do suggest maybe putting your posts in a dispatch somewhere though.
The only main condition allowing trade and larger humanitarian aid every socialist/quasi-socialist state ever received was the rejection of socialist/nationalist principles and opening of the market for foreign investments - in short, subjugation to imperialism.
Being dicks and building up the military to hilarious numbers is just a consequence in our case - Songun was introduced in 1995.
Lmao. Show me a paradise on this Earth.
Economically speaking, this reason isn't stupid, it is a necessary characteristic of the market economy, - and what is necessary, is smart. It just so happens that people don't like to suffer for generations from poverty and malnutrition. But the key moment is technological progress that leads to a monstrous increase in productivity, making the entire concepts of money and private property more and more atavistic with every year, becoming the thing that removes the economic necessity of the market altogether.
Nobody denies the military necessity of such actions though.
No, it is not like that. The thing is, these nuclear bombings were unprecedented, they were the horrific setting stones of the Atomic Era. Everybody sensible understands the military necessity of large bombings with a lot of, well, collateral damage, - yet this case is just so impactful it demands a proper apology and at least symbolic compensation afterward. Nothing the richest country could't bear.
Nobody with a sane mind ever thinks about using the nukes again, after all - MAD and stuff.
MAD wasn't really developed until later on after nuclear weapons and ICBMs had been developed to the point that the leaders of nuclear-armed nations realised that a nuclear war wouldn't be survivable. MAD was developed to ensure that if one nation struck first aiming to take out another's nukes, they wouldn't survive themselves. In the 1950s, with only short-ranged missiles available (meaning that in order to hit targets out of ICBM range, bombers, which were very much counterable by early surface to air missiles and interceptor aircraft), the US at least thought that a nuclear war would be somewhat survivable.
Why does it need an apology, when Japan, the country who committed more atrocities also has barely ever apologized for it's warcrimes, unnecessary killing and cruel methods of warfare/
The USA spent more than a billion dollars after the war to help rebuild Japan. If Japan somehow won, they wouldn't have done the same. Using the nukes then was fine because there were less nukes to go around and they were used only when it was necessary. Now however, with insane old men having hundreds of nukes at their beck and call, it is not an option.
The Final Straw - Part 3
(yes it's finally done)
The distance between the ships decreased further as the pirate sloop wallowed in the swells, dismasted but still firing its cannon. The heavy ballistae on the Sokoln’s deck were loaded and swung out as the range fell to six hundred meters, which was a bit long for accurate fire, but close enough. The first salvo of explosive bolts, trailing smoke from their fuses, arced through the sky to splash down in the water around the pirate sloop. A second salvo resulted in a flash of fire and smoke in the sloop’s ruined upperworks, blowing splinters of mast, flaming scraps of sail, and crew into the water.
As the ships closed to three hundred meters, the cracks of small arms and twangs of crossbow bolts began to sound aboard both ships. The Sokoln’s marine complement raised shields to protect the crew on deck from the hail of crossbow bolts and musket balls from the pirate sloop as other marines and crew returned fire. Gunners commenced firing the swivel guns mounted on the rail, pelting the tortured upperworks of the sloop with small shot.
Suddenly, long oars slid out from ports in the sloop’s bulwarks. The pirates began to row closer to the Sokoln, knowing that they couldn’t fight a gun battle with a proper warship. But pirate ships usually had very large crews, up to four times the size they’d actually need to sail their ship, in order to provide prize crews for captured ships and to strengthen their forces in boarding actions. Thus, the pirate ship had very nearly as many crew as the Sokoln did, all armed to the teeth.
“Sir! They’re closing under oars!”
The captain scowled. “Sh*t.” Then he yelled, “All hands, stand by to repel boarders!”
The cry was taken up by crew and marines along the deck as they snatched up short sabers and boarding pikes, while the swivel guns were loaded with grapeshot. The pirate ship was closing more swiftly now, its crew rowing hard, while others continued to fire muskets and crossbows at the Sokoln. As the two ships drifted inside of fifty meters of one another, pirates could be seen ducking behind bulkheads, armed with grappling hooks. Swivel guns on both ships began sweeping the other’s deck with grapeshot, crew members taking cover behind armored shields or bulkheads. Grappling hooks arced out of the wreckage of the pirate ship’s upperworks, falling to snag in the Sokoln’s rigging or on the ship’s rail, and pirates hauled on lines to bring the ships closer together as the oars were yanked in.
With a shuddering crash the hulls of the two ships crunched together. Pirates leaped from their hiding places, over the shattered rails of their ship onto the deck of the Sokoln, into a hail of pistol, crossbow and musket fire from the marines. In a loose line, crew members charged the oncoming pirates with boarding pikes lowered, skewering several as the combat devolved into a general melee. It wasn’t a fight the pirates could win, though. Enterprising sailors with axes attacked the grappling hook ropes, cutting them loose to flop back onto the sloop. It wouldn’t be long before the ships were clear of each other once again, and less than half of the remaining pirates had made it aboard. Already knots of them were surrendering at swordpoint to marines.
Other marines leaped across the gap onto the tangled mass of wreckage covering the pirate sloop’s deck and began mopping up the pirate remnants. It wasn’t long until the last pirates dropped their weapons and raised their hands.
After the surviving pirates had surrendered, they were herded onto the Sokoln and barred into one of the holds. Sailors and marines thoroughly searched the pirate vessel below decks. A rating scrambled out of a companionway in front of the captain, carrying a heavy book, a dark look on her face.
‘Their log, sirs… you should definitely read it.’
‘Thank you, seaman.’ The captain took the heavy, leather-bound book and flipped it open.
An officer looked at the text. ‘This… says they’re being bankrolled by Imperial nobles.’
The captain scowled. ‘This is the final straw. There’s no way the Karutaihi will put up with more of this piracy.’
A predatory grin reached his lips. ‘I think we need some… words with the nobles in question.’ He began snapping orders. ‘Take everything you can off this ship and return it to the Sokoln, then set scuttling charges. Her rigging’s too ruined to sail home with us. The Karutaihi needs to hear about this. Immediately.’
Shoulda known that before :(
Now I have to find them
I HATE LIVERPOOL
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