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Wubdich wrote:

Why have a vote of the popular when you can have the experience and the actual experts on topics rule?
Take the USA. This years election wasn't entirely based on party doctrines and ideologies, but more about the candidates. One of which just straight out denies that his opponent has won.
And in other nations, corruption rules supreme. Here in Germany, our strongest party has been caught on heavy corruption. But because it's the strongest party, the judges just shrugged.

so.
you have a bit of a point.
the problem is:
though yes, stupid voters who don't know what they are talking about, often cause elections to become very stupid. However, when you start saying certain people can't vote, you go down a rabbithole, and a large portion of stupid voters can overwhelm a small amount of paid off voters, but when only the people you choose to vote can vote, you end up with a system thats very easy to corrupt.
Democracy isn't perfect, but you never had people being shot trying to get away from an unjust system when you are in a stable democracy.
also, with the Germany point, when highscale corruption emerges, that party tends to get booted out of office. cough cough nixon

Union of larchian socialist republics wrote:

no, I did, I just hoped you weren't a dictatorship.

I am a absolute monarchy.

*bans bunny for the pun*

Imperial pravus wrote:

*bans bunny for the pun*

If you try to ban Bunnies I’ll get Xor to ban you

Union of larchian socialist republics wrote:

so.
you have a bit of a point.
the problem is:
though yes, stupid voters who don't know what they are talking about, often cause elections to become very stupid. However, when you start saying certain people can't vote, you go down a rabbithole, and a large portion of stupid voters can overwhelm a small amount of paid off voters, but when only the people you choose to vote can vote, you end up with a system thats very easy to corrupt.
Democracy isn't perfect, but you never had people being shot trying to get away from an unjust system when you are in a stable democracy.
also, with the Germany point, when highscale corruption emerges, that party tends to get booted out of office. cough cough nixon

In today's world with Political Apathy on the rise as never before, democracy is decaying. And the USA is the best example. And getting the people closer to politics - in school for example - is in return called boring and a 'why do I need to learn this' topic. And you can't call most Democracies stable nowadays. Parties have huge infighting or don't know what stance they are taking (more conservative or more progressive) in our modern times. Climate change has clearly shown how reluctant many are to change, why the majority of the Youth is taking it to the streets. But in the end, they are called ignorant and are supposed to have no clue what they are doing, while the government is continuing to fund fossile fuels on one page of the newspaper, and on the other supports climate preservation.

And are comparing the modern parties of Germany, a nation that is very careful in terms of politics, to Nixon? Do you even know how our overly-bureaucratic political system works? I'm not joking when I say they have been caught doing heavy corruption and getting away with it. Because of it, we aren't exiting coal-energy next year, but in 12 years.

Wubdich wrote:

In today's world with Political Apathy on the rise as never before, democracy is decaying. And the USA is the best example. And getting the people closer to politics - in school for example - is in return called boring and a 'why do I need to learn this' topic. And you can't call most Democracies stable nowadays. Parties have huge infighting or don't know what stance they are taking (more conservative or more progressive) in our modern times. Climate change has clearly shown how reluctant many are to change, why the majority of the Youth is taking it to the streets. But in the end, they are called ignorant and are supposed to have no clue what they are doing, while the government is continuing to fund fossile fuels on one page of the newspaper, and on the other supports climate preservation.

And are comparing the modern parties of Germany, a nation that is very careful in terms of politics, to Nixon? Do you even know how our overly-bureaucratic political system works? I'm not joking when I say they have been caught doing heavy corruption and getting away with it. Because of it, we aren't exiting coal-energy next year, but in 12 years.

But a meritocratic system, while amazing in theory, depends entirely on the people in charge choosing honestly who is the best for a position, and any system that depends entirely on expecting honesty is not one that will work in real life.

Wubdich wrote:

In today's world with Political Apathy on the rise as never before, democracy is decaying. And the USA is the best example. And getting the people closer to politics - in school for example - is in return called boring and a 'why do I need to learn this' topic. And you can't call most Democracies stable nowadays. Parties have huge infighting or don't know what stance they are taking (more conservative or more progressive) in our modern times. Climate change has clearly shown how reluctant many are to change, why the majority of the Youth is taking it to the streets. But in the end, they are called ignorant and are supposed to have no clue what they are doing, while the government is continuing to fund fossile fuels on one page of the newspaper, and on the other supports climate preservation.

And are comparing the modern parties of Germany, a nation that is very careful in terms of politics, to Nixon? Do you even know how our overly-bureaucratic political system works? I'm not joking when I say they have been caught doing heavy corruption and getting away with it. Because of it, we aren't exiting coal-energy next year, but in 12 years.

Honestly, that is so true. I honestly don't even care about any of the parties, partially because none of the parties cater to my tastes. Even if they did, I'm likely never going to vote for them since I'm too lazy and apolitical to actually care.

The last stars wrote:

I spot a cultured PvZ fan!

Puts down potted pea gatling

Indeed, although all my PvZ2 progress got wiped for some reason and I had to start over from the beginning.

Norwany wrote:

Well, every system has its flaws, some way more than others. Meritocracies have the issue of merit being subjective, therefore potentially being super corrupt because the people in charge of "promoting" will likely only promote the people they like, even if there's a better candidate available. This being said though, I agree that meritocracy is better than democracy.

Kathol rift wrote:

But a meritocratic system, while amazing in theory, depends entirely on the people in charge choosing honestly who is the best for a position, and any system that depends entirely on expecting honesty is not one that will work in real life.

Of course, that's the catch there. Hence, bureaucracy, a heavy one, is needed still, to guarantee such won't happen.

Civilization itself is flawed. We cannot create Utopia, as there is no guarantee it will be everyone's Utopia. You can build one, but some will still see it as a Dystopia. Work in reverse too. You can build Dystopia, and some that know how to play well, will make their Utopia within it.

Stollberg-Stolberg wrote:

The Problem is: We have a going-from-fossil but no going-green Plan. We are dissorganized.

Exactly. No wonder that Baden-Wurttemberg has a party based on Fridays For Future now.

Norwany wrote:

Well, every system has its flaws, some way more than others. Meritocracies have the issue of merit being subjective, therefore potentially being super corrupt because the people in charge of "promoting" will likely only promote the people they like, even if there's a better candidate available. This being said though, I agree that meritocracy is better than democracy.

you are trusting people to not be corrupt, please show me one time in history a group of people were given much more power and didn't use it to their own ends.
You can't just have a sense of "benefit of the doubt" when it comes to important things like running nations. The lesser evil is to allow everyone to vote so you can hope that the people who know what they are talking about vote the best candidate. It has worked up till now.

United Ottarenzian Capitalist Republics wrote:

Puts down potted pea gatling

Indeed, although all my PvZ2 progress got wiped for some reason and I had to start over from the beginning.

Wow that sucks! I hope you weren't too far in the game or else that woulda really hurt :(

I don't play PvZ2, but I do got the OG PvZ game CD and then occasionally play Garden Warfare 2 sometimes. It's so rare to bump into another person who likes the franchise!

Novoblupolia wrote:

(OOC)
Russian economy depends on oil and gas exports, but we also understand that many nations are switching to alternate resources. We are switching to nuclear energy nowadays.

Russia has so many giant rivers in Siberia where no one lives, they could change pretty easily.