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Peaceful islam wrote:Selam alejkum,

As you can see, I am new to this game and I was wondering what there is to do apart from 'solving' issues

Wa Alaykum as Salam,

There's many aspects to NationStates besides issue solving and nation development. There's gameplay (R/D), the World Assembly, regional politics, and just chatting and debating and discussing on the forums and in the region. You should find something that piques your interest if you look around. Happy gaming!

Kawther, Libertatem ambassador to uei, Muslims political council of evagia, and Peaceful islam

I personally feel some what confident in my answer. My reasoning stems from with how I am seeing responses from South Asia, the Middle East, and Indomalaya which are all predominantly Muslim and Hindu compared to Europe and the Americas. I feel like though you could attribute this to western culture so then a fair playing field could be Africa to compare the two reposenes (the Muslim north and Christian/Traditional south) and the only country with a big Muslim population to have vaccine denial is Tanzania. Madagascar has said it would use "covid organics" which obviously isn't gonna work. Part of me thinks these are all just coincidences when comparing religions like this but another part feels there could be some sort of actual fact as to why Muslims and Hindus don't seem to be against vaccines but Christians do.

Kawther, Western Arab Empire, and Libertatem ambassador to uei

Pacifiqah wrote:I personally feel some what confident in my answer. My reasoning stems from with how I am seeing responses from South Asia, the Middle East, and Indomalaya which are all predominantly Muslim and Hindu compared to Europe and the Americas. I feel like though you could attribute this to western culture so then a fair playing field could be Africa to compare the two reposenes (the Muslim north and Christian/Traditional south) and the only country with a big Muslim population to have vaccine denial is Tanzania. Madagascar has said it would use "covid organics" which obviously isn't gonna work. Part of me thinks these are all just coincidences when comparing religions like this but another part feels there could be some sort of actual fact as to why Muslims and Hindus don't seem to be against vaccines but Christians do.

I think you're on to something there. In essence, each religion has its own understanding of what "God" really is. The theologies vary, from the understanding of God as a grand unifying force to a personal God that interacts with the creation. If your religion is deistic or more abstract, then you would likely have less reason to deny a vaccine for religious purposes. On the other hand, if you believe that God is a personal healer, then you would probably resist vaccination. There are also other factors at play such as beliefs in eschatology and religious inferiority that might make you more susceptible to vaccine hesitancy.

Kawther, Libertatem ambassador to uei, and Pacifiqah

As for me, I don't think that religion and science denialism necessarily go hand-in-hand, even if it appears so in some communities. I believe the issue stems from ignorance, both of the scientific process and theology. If your entire religious education is based off of listening to your local minister or imam speak at the pulpit for 30 minutes a week, you're never going to understand the relationship between concepts such as divine agency and personal responsibility. The same goes for science education: if you think a vaccine is going to "change your DNA", without understanding what any of that really means, you're going to make ill-informed medical decisions. In many religious communities, especially revivalist movements like Christian evangelicals and Islamic fundamentalists, you will often find both proper religious and scientific knowledge lacking among the masses, leading to stances that neither make sense religiously or scientifically. On the other hand, you will find the educated leaders and scholars having no issues with science since they have already resolved whatever conflicts they have seen in their course of study.

Kawther, Libertatem ambassador to uei, and Pacifiqah

Western Arab Empire wrote:I think you're on to something there. In essence, each religion has its own understanding of what "God" really is. The theologies vary, from the understanding of God as a grand unifying force to a personal God that interacts with the creation. If your religion is deistic or more abstract, then you would likely have less reason to deny a vaccine for religious purposes. On the other hand, if you believe that God is a personal healer, then you would probably resist vaccination. There are also other factors at play such as beliefs in eschatology and religious inferiority that might make you more susceptible to vaccine hesitancy.

This actually makes sense cause like in religions like Mormonism and some traditional faiths they seem to believe in a God that interacts with people and heals where as in Islam and Hinduism both religions have a culture of medicine (Hindus making the first basis of plastic surgery and understanding organs while Muslims began the basis of chemistry and medicine). Culture on it own could contribute too in a sense but that theory falls when you add Europe and the US to the mix who have invented an insane amount of medical practices but are the center of the anti vax movement. Another factor could be how we see sickness. In the west we take it for granted we don't die due to things like cholera where as in places like the Subcontinent and the Sahel nations of Africa sickness easily kills and they know what the effects of not vaccinating can be against sickness.

Kawther, Western Arab Empire, and Libertatem ambassador to uei

Personally I feel that when people act like God will save them from diabetes after they eat 5 whoppers and 2 buckets of fried butter they are overly personifying God. While we all probably do this we should always keep in mind God is not like a human who chooses to act on feeling but rather on it's will Inshallah. If you do not eat then you will starve and die. God can save you by providing food but if you still refuse to eat then that is on you and you die. Just because we can not see sickness does not mean it is there? Would you not defend yourself if being attacked? Human perception I guess is also important here cause we can see like a Tiger but not the Corona virus despite the virus possibly being more deadly.

Kawther, Western Arab Empire, Libertatem ambassador to uei, Muslims political council of evagia, and 1 otherPeaceful islam

the results of the poll so far really surprise me

Bosnia herzegovina and sandzak

https://socialiststandardmyspace.blogspot.com/2020/05/a-duke-distorts-marx-1986.html?m=1

Singaoire wrote:the results of the poll so far really surprise me

It actually doesn't surprise me all that much. Remember, the poll is not limited to the UEI. Based on what I've seen in the media, a lot of people are having a dig at religions in general because there are some people out there just don't understand science. It's back to that whole "Islam makes you a terrorist" thing, but this time it's broader ("religion makes you anti-science").

Kawther, Singaoire, and Muslims political council of evagia

Bosnia herzegovina and sandzak wrote:https://socialiststandardmyspace.blogspot.com/2020/05/a-duke-distorts-marx-1986.html?m=1

Is there anyone who you would say understands Marx but still denies the Communist system?

Pacifiqah wrote:This actually makes sense cause like in religions like Mormonism and some traditional faiths they seem to believe in a God that interacts with people and heals where as in Islam and Hinduism both religions have a culture of medicine (Hindus making the first basis of plastic surgery and understanding organs while Muslims began the basis of chemistry and medicine). Culture on it own could contribute too in a sense but that theory falls when you add Europe and the US to the mix who have invented an insane amount of medical practices but are the center of the anti vax movement. Another factor could be how we see sickness. In the west we take it for granted we don't die due to things like cholera where as in places like the Subcontinent and the Sahel nations of Africa sickness easily kills and they know what the effects of not vaccinating can be against sickness.

That is probably the main issue when we're talking about the population in general and not just the religious communities. People don't know how great they have something until it's taken away. Nobody in the United States today has seen a person with smallpox, polio, or measles. Without that graphic reminder, you diminish the importance of things like vaccination. Unfortunately, with the prevalence of social media, these affluence-related sentiments are now filtering over to developing countries, making the global health crisis worse.

Kawther, Singaoire, and Pacifiqah

Pacifiqah wrote:Personally I feel that when people act like God will save them from diabetes after they eat 5 whoppers and 2 buckets of fried butter they are overly personifying God. While we all probably do this we should always keep in mind God is not like a human who chooses to act on feeling but rather on it's will Inshallah. If you do not eat then you will starve and die. God can save you by providing food but if you still refuse to eat then that is on you and you die. Just because we can not see sickness does not mean it is there? Would you not defend yourself if being attacked? Human perception I guess is also important here cause we can see like a Tiger but not the Corona virus despite the virus possibly being more deadly.

I remember I heard my teacher say that he heard Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller say:
"Taking the means and denying their efficacy are both necessary. Rejecting the means is rejecting the wisdom of God and believing in their efficacy is associating partners with God."

When you say something like "God will save me from diabetes after I eat 5 whoppers and 2 buckets of fried butter", you're essentially absolving yourself of responsibility through a fallacious religious argument that you yourself don't uphold most of the time. Why do you lock your door at night? Why do you not drive straight into that child crossing that street? Why do use a knife to cut an apple instead of a wood block? Ascribing God's power to medicine and not to anything else is a sort of moral arrogance. If you took that argument to its logical conclusion, you would live in a world without any action or responsibility. This is why education, both of theology and of basic logic and scientific knowledge, is necessary.

Kawther, Libertatem ambassador to uei, Singaoire, and Pacifiqah

As-Salāmu 'alaykum, dear brothers (and sisters if any). Please allow me to introduce myself in brief, I'm the founder of NDR who has joined this region a while ago, pardon me for not having send my remarks and interacting with you all after joining this company in advance. I come from Indonesia originally. Oh one more thing, pardon me for my bad grammar if my chats are confusing to you all.

So in regards to the question asked, in my perspective (this is not a scholarly opinion for sure), I believe religious observance does not correlate to anti-vaccination. It happens because of some communities interpretation towards science are misleading. They are lacking on knowledge/ignorance about basic understanding to the concepts of science. Moreover it could happen because of their communities happen not to be the one who make the path to progressivism by reconciling science and their respective religious worldview. The key points that I think important here are interpretation (not "observance" if my understanding toward the definition of the word is correct) and ignorance. So in my humble opinion, I chose option 5 which corresponds to my approach towards the motion. It will be better to draw the line with interpretation rather than observance.

As for other options available, I wanted to know what is the definition and/or limitation of Fundamentalists and Science-denialism in your respective point of views, dear delegates? What are the example to each definitions? I think that is all for now, and again, hope that I will be enjoying my time in this region. Thank you.

Kawther, Western Arab Empire, Muslims political council of evagia, and Indonesian muslim associations

Ready for the next poll battle?

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^ Pancakes Vs. Waffles Vs. French Toast Vs. Crepes!

Bosnia herzegovina and sandzak

Western Arab Empire wrote:Is there anyone who you would say understands Marx but still denies the Communist system?

Probably more than you give credit. We live in a society where academic freedom and diversity of opinion are held dear. Marx mind you understood a number of concepts without necessarily endorsing them as his own.

Bosnia herzegovina and sandzak wrote:Probably more than you give credit. We live in a society where academic freedom and diversity of opinion are held dear. Marx mind you understood a number of concepts without necessarily endorsing them as his own.

"We live in a society where academic freedom and diversity of opinion are held dear. "

I would somewhat disagree with that, but that's a different conversation.

Indonesian muslim associations

Waalaykumsalam Nusantara Darussalam Raya. Welcome to the UEI brother. I too come from Indonesia. Regarding to your English, personally I think it is good enough since you wrote a serious opinion.

Indonesian muslim associations wrote:Waalaykumsalam Nusantara Darussalam Raya. Welcome to the UEI brother. I too come from Indonesia. Regarding to your English, personally I think it is good enough since you wrote a serious opinion.

Terima kasih, mas. Kayaknya kalau ketemu sesama Indo pake Bahasa Indo aja kali ya lebih nyaman. :D Ditunggu ide-ide dari delegasi Masyumi juga ikut tersampaikan lewat RMB. Anyway, I'm looking forward to other motions.

Kawther, Western Arab Empire, Singaoire, and Indonesian muslim associations

hello indonesians 😄 i'm from the little red dot called Singapore :)

Kawther, Western Arab Empire, Indonesian muslim associations, and Nusantara Darussalam Raya

Indonesian muslim associations

Nusantara Darussalam Raya wrote:Terima kasih, mas. Kayaknya kalau ketemu sesama Indo pake Bahasa Indo aja kali ya lebih nyaman. :D Ditunggu ide-ide dari delegasi Masyumi juga ikut tersampaikan lewat RMB. Anyway, I'm looking forward to other motions.

Wah, kalau begitu mungkin sebaiknya lewat telegram saja. Saya kira gagasan-gagasan kita tidak akan tersampaikan secara jelas bila diketikkan dalam bahasa Indonesia. Ada baiknya perundingan kita dilakukan lewat telegram, lalu hasilnya diterjemahkan ke dalam bahasa Inggris sebelum dikirim ke RMB. Maksud saya adalah agar semuanya bisa memahami 😁

my bahasa is so bad

Kawther, Western Arab Empire, and Indonesian muslim associations

Indonesian muslim associations

Singaoire wrote:my bahasa is so bad

So then my English is :v

Bosnia herzegovina and sandzak

Western Arab Empire wrote:"We live in a society where academic freedom and diversity of opinion are held dear. "

I would somewhat disagree with that, but that's a different conversation.

Thats me doing deadpan xD.

Western Arab Empire and Pacifiqah

Bosnia herzegovina and sandzak

Ramadan Muburak btw

Western Arab Empire, The Pakistani Federation, Singaoire, Pacifiqah, and 3 othersMuslims political council of evagia, Indonesian muslim associations, and Nusantara Darussalam Raya

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