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Yeniseysk wrote:But it is incredibly similar. There was barely a proletariat and mostly just a revolutionary peasantry within China. The Great Leap Forward was an utter failure, even as Mao was a great revolutionary he was not infallible. In the minds of Ultras there never will be a perfect revolution. China had completely different social and material conditions from the USSR. I implore you to read “The Governance of China”.

I modern day China there is no dotp. The country is imperialist. It is repressive towards critics. The GLF and the GPCR were not perfect, but where great leaps towards socialism. One might say that China has achieved more within the market system. And? Capitalism is still capitalism.
I implore you to study chairman Mao, and read "China - A social imperialist power" and "China - a new social imperialist power"

Kawlastad

Southwest America wrote:i have a question what is AES?

The term is used by those that claim that China and such countries are "Actually existing socialism"
It originated within the USSR in the 60s and 70s as a slogan to defend eastern european "forms for socialism", that were heavily critizied for implementing more and more market reforms.

"Actually existing socialism" There's pretty much 2 camps of thought about them, which you can probably see in this chat.

Yeniseysk and Umbergera

Worldly philosophers

Kawlastad wrote:The term is used by those that claim that China and such countries are "Actually existing socialism"
It originated within the USSR in the 60s and 70s as a slogan to defend eastern european "forms for socialism", that were heavily critizied for implementing more and more market reforms.

Google kept pointing me to a two paragraph Wikipedia article about a short-lived UK economic policy in like the 80s or something

So this is very funny

Stanielle wrote:"Actually existing socialism" There's pretty much 2 camps of thought about them, which you can probably see in this chat.

Average leftist group splitting more than atoms in nuclear fission lmao

Socialist indian republics and Birdiun

Yeniseysk

Kawlastad wrote:I modern day China there is no dotp. The country is imperialist. It is repressive towards critics. The GLF and the GPCR were not perfect, but where great leaps towards socialism. One might say that China has achieved more within the market system. And? Capitalism is still capitalism.
I implore you to study chairman Mao, and read "China - A social imperialist power" and "China - a new social imperialist power"

Imperialist how? Are you referring to the belt and road initiative Which even western imperialists admit it isn’t a debt trap? I’m not claiming it’s a utopia, I’m simply claiming it’s vying for actual socialism, and is a threat to global imperialist powers.

“So, to build socialism it is necessary to develop the productive forces. Poverty is not socialism. To uphold socialism, a socialism that is to be superior to capitalism, it is imperative first and foremost to eliminate poverty. True, we are building socialism, but that doesn’t mean that what we have achieved so far is up to the socialist standard. Not until the middle of the next century, when we have reached the level of the moderately developed countries, shall we be able to say that we have really built socialism and to declare convincingly that it is superior to capitalism. We are advancing towards that goal.”

— Deng XiaoPing

Nor will we explain to them that it is only possible to achieve real liberation in the real world and by employing real means, that slavery cannot be abolished without the steam-engine and the mule and spinning-jenny, serfdom cannot be abolished without improved agriculture, and that, in general, people cannot be liberated as long as they are unable to obtain food and drink, housing and clothing in adequate quality and quantity. “Liberation” is an historical and not a mental act, and it is brought about by historical conditions, the development of industry, commerce, agriculture, the conditions of intercourse

• Karl Marx, The German Ideology

Pretty much why I enjoy Deng. He was following Engles and Marx to the law.

Umbergera

Leftist traditionalism in practice would be leftists just arguing with each other all the time.
Why? Leftist infighting: A leftist tradition!
-badumtiss-

The Republic of Real People, Yeniseysk, Zitherstadt, 4D Donkeys, and 4 othersPuaco, The socialist republic of broznica, Umbergera, and Birdiun

Worldly philosophers wrote:Google kept pointing me to a two paragraph Wikipedia article about a short-lived UK economic policy in like the 80s or something

So this is very funny

Innit funny mate?

Nanoc wrote:Sighhh... I let my son pick it and he put your mother.

Haha! That sounds like what my little brother would do

The socialist republic of broznica

I just gained 250 million citizens and I can’t decide what to name my capital, some ideas? (it can’t be a real city)

Stanielle

Did anyone else ever get a telegram from Noradise asking if they wanted daily verses from the Bible? I'm just curious if it's a bot or something.

Mount cornera

How do i turn off invites because I keep on getting invited for other groups

go into settings and then go to the telegram line and click the preferences button. There you can change your telegram settings.

Mount cornera wrote:How do i turn off invites because I keep on getting invited for other groups

Settings>Telegrams: Preferences> Turn off recruitment capitalist-imperialist ads

Mount cornera

Thank you

When the fall of Capitalism comes do you think there will be a general decline in right wing and liberal ideas or will some kind of space age hyperfascist Warhammer 40k sh*t spawn from its corpse

Doofinshmirtz and The socialist republic of broznica

Worldly philosophers

Umbergera wrote:When the fall of Capitalism comes do you think there will be a general decline in right wing and liberal ideas or will some kind of space age hyperfascist Warhammer 40k sh*t spawn from its corpse

I'm hoping for Squats personally

Umbergera

Eldiano yeagerista

Is there any way to bypass the nationstate questions time?

Federated sovereign republics

Umbergera wrote:When the fall of Capitalism comes do you think there will be a general decline in right wing and liberal ideas or will some kind of space age hyperfascist Warhammer 40k sh*t spawn from its corpse

It'll be socialism or barbarism, as the saying goes

Umbergera

Also hello everyone, this is my main nation. My puppet is Federated sovereign republics

North communist association

hello RP players of NS there is only 10 days left until the offical political map for the random roleplay begins. If you wish to claim land let me know. The dispatch link is below

Map links:
political: will be posted 10/12/22
blank: Linkclick here

Members:
North communist association
Crimson Tree
Goshnia and Goshnigovina
4D Donkeys
Soviet Kem

Rules:

Wars:
Your nation can not “role over” another nation when in war with you taking no losses. You can’t simply say “My army of 1,000,000,000,000 is air dropped out of invisible planes on to your capital and they kill every government official in the capital” this is a prime example of god modeing. A better post that would not be considered god modeing would be “I send in 15,000 troops in multiple planes to airdrop them on your capital, some planes are shot down but we manage to land about 5,000 troops, they end up killing one of your generals before all the troops are either KIA or captured.” If attempt to god mode in a war you will be ignored.

Economy:
The algorithm for finding your GDP is simple, every nation starts at a GDP of 1 billion, every week your GDP will increase by one billion every week. You can not make a post like this,”I spend 69,420,000,000,000 on my info-structure which doesn’t even hurt my GDP of 123,456,789,123,456,789,123,456,789.” A more realistic post would be this,”I spend 50,000,000 on my info-structure budget out of my 20,000,000,000 GDP.” Any post with god modeing in this way will be ignored.

For god modeing I run a good old 3 strikes your out method where if you god mode 3 times in 3 months your nation collapses and you are removed from the map. So don’t god mode.

Map size 3,000px by 5,000px
TG me your claim. Claims must be between 1px and 1000px. When telling my your claim be specific because if you aren’t you may not get the exact claim you wanted. Think hard about where you want to be because once the map is updated to show your claim you can not change your claim. Finally make sure to base all RP posts around your claim, you can’t say that your claim is somewhere where it’s not or that post will be void

There are 3 types of RP posts

1. War
2. Alliance
3. Economy/government

Here are fill in the blanks on each type

War:
Make sure to remove period in-between the l and e in spoiler
[spoil.er=(insert opporation name here)]
(Date of the opporation)
(Location of opporation and ping the nation the opporation is on)

(Details of the opporation)

Optional - (Interview of someone who was there during the opporation) -

(Death count for both sides)

(Ping me)
[/spoil.er]
Make sure to remove period in-between the l and e in spoiler

Alliance:
Make sure to remove period in-between the l and e in spoiler
[spoil.er=(insert alliance name here)]
(Date of the post)

(List of nations invited to alliance)

(Brake down of alliance should be at least two paragraphs)

(Ping me)
[spoil.er]
Make sure to remove period in-between the l and e in spoiler

Economy/government:
Make sure to remove period in-between the l and e in spoiler
[spoil.er=(insert title here)]
(Date of post)

(Economic/military brake down, should be 3 paragraphs)

(Ping me)
[/spoil.er]
Make sure to remove period in-between the l and e in spoiler

Why ping me?:
If you don’t ping me you post may not be seen so I may not be able to quote it and declare it valid or invalid.

The amount of people in your military is 3% of your total NS population. Your military budget is 20% of you total GDP as far as RP goes everyone is expected to base there military power off there pop and GDP

The map links will be posted on 10/12/22 when the RP begins

Read dispatch

Welp it looks like Lula got a higher percentage than the fascist, but there's going to be a second round next month because he didn't get enough.

Yeniseysk and Ruberian

Stanielle wrote:Welp it looks like Lula got a higher percentage than the fascist, but there's going to be a second round next month because he didn't get enough.

Yes

I live in Brazil

Ausgeia wrote:-ausgeia lives in brazil-

Okay! I wish the best for the Brazilian voters and hope that the results puts a good person into power over there!

Eleutherya and Yeniseysk

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