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The Pilgrims in the Desert wrote:Yup, someone has kicked a hornet's nest.

Nope. A bunch of drama queens have taken over. Internet region imitating the real world.

Attike wrote:What is happening?

A below average English tennis player from the 1980's has turned the region against itself.

Prudentias wrote:

If we established a true government we must make a Constitution, that's the price.

This is just a message board. It does not need constitutions and governments to work. Just a bit of common sense. There are hyper sensitive regions in this game for those who live by such codes.

Saint Michael The Archangel wrote:

This RMB has gone unchecked almost entirely over the past decade... Maybe even since its inception.

Have you always wanted a stricter governmenty type region? I sort of thought you did but there was a bit too much resistance.

United hispaniola, The Sovereign Realist State, Attike, and Prudentias

We tried it before and it was working fine, then it became inactive. I'm open to either version, so I thought we might give this a try. I told them there was going to be resistance, probably from the long time residents.

Attike

All supressions are arbitrary, there is a principle on law that must be obeyed even by the highest authority on a democratic government.

NULLA POENA SINE LEGE.

If there is no law defining what is a crime, every punishment here is just a lawless arbitrary measure made by pure might makes right.

And Oire have the right to say what he said, it's outdated, scientifically proven wrong and almost crossed the line with a "n" word being part of a word, something that on American culture (American, because we use on Brazil designating the same thing and that ethnicity itself use it, cultural differences of course) but he was not racist.

This is is looking like social media with the right of SJW activism, totally dominated by arbitrary rules, WE NEED A CONSTITUTION RIGHT NOW, I PLEAD FOR A CONSTITUTIONALIST MOVEMENT to protect us from the government and define what is the crime.

If a Constitution is not made this is a government ruling by might makes right, and even becoming elected turns it illegitimate because it goes against the basics of a government, being this government elected or not, there was a third punishment, this time on Oire, without any law to define what he did wrong, I don't liked what he wrote too, but suppress it without a law and a charge is just abuse of power.

Saint Michael The Archangel wrote:Look. People (Castle Federation) approached me a while ago and asked if he could form an official government. You're welcome to join in that process. It's being done on Discord.

No one, including myself, that's not a NS Moderator can delete or permanently suppress your posts. Suppression is cosmetic only. If the people with powers can't play well together, we may have to reevaluate who has the powers.

This RMB has gone unchecked almost entirely over the past decade... Maybe even since its inception. We can have sensitive discussions civally, I'm sure of it. But you're also welcome to make a new region your home if you don't like mine and its policies.

Put the RMB unchecked please, just put a Constitution saying what is to cross the line.

The Discord have a flaw, to discuss ideas like this we need fixed long posts, Discord is an Instant Messenger generally used by gamers (like me) nothing beyond two phrases have true value there.

This government is a mistake since the beggining, if you want to establish a government you need to establish it's principles and law first, we don't even have a regional law, what is crime and what is not is defined by the will of those who have might.

And Discord is not a good thing, the RMB is not everbody wants to install Discord, and this may cause discord (yes I'm playing with words).

NULLA POENA SINE LEGE!

https://youtu.be/EWJw8UvFMtY

JOIN THE CONSTITUTIONAL MOVEMENT.

Is our region in the midst of a civil war?

Totern wrote:Is our region in the midst of a civil war?

No. More like a constitutional convention. From a in game perspective, there's not a lot that can be done because the Founder's power is absolute. They could fight all day and unless I agree to it, it won't happen. A press of a button and anyone could be gone in an instant.

Fedele and Medi terra

Well done to American president Biden for property making the US recognize the Armenian Genocide as a Genocide today.

Saint Michael The Archangel wrote:

No. More like a constitutional convention. From a in game perspective, there's not a lot that can be done because the Founder's power is absolute. They could fight all day and unless I agree to it, it won't happen. A press of a button and anyone could be gone in an instant.

So is this whay this region has become? A Father Knows Best State?

We are Catholics, we believe that might don't makes right, even if you have absolute might.

St. Thomas Aquinas said that no one is above Natural Law, and that a Human Law must be made by the sovereign power based on Natural Law, there must be a higher power with basis on Natural Law and Divine Law. If you doubt it read the Treatise on Law.

We are basically going Hobbes way on this government and this is not good at all. As a Catholic you must recognize the need of a set of rules that even you with absolute power can't disobey at all.

Prudentias wrote:So is this whay this region has become? A Father Knows Best State?

We are Catholics, we believe that might don't makes right, even if you have absolute might.

St. Thomas Aquinas said that no one is above Natural Law, and that a Human Law must be made by the sovereign power based on Natural Law, there must be a higher power with basis on Natural Law and Divine Law. If you doubt it read the Treatise on Law.

We are basically going Hobbes way on this government and this is not good at all. As a Catholic you must recognize the need of a set of rules that even you with absolute power can't disobey at all.

Well whatever is going on I pray for a civil resolution. I hate to see fellow Catholics divided over trivial mortal issues when we should be unified group.

Omensa wrote:Well done to American president Biden for property making the US recognize the Armenian Genocide as a Genocide today.

The American Congress recognized Armenian Genocide years ago.

The turkish government knowing about the decadence of the West transformed Hagia Sophia on a mosque once again and killed kurdish people.

And worst, they helped Azerbaijan, a muslim people with turkish ethnicity to help on 2020 war against Armenia were thousand of catholics were expelled of Azerbaijan, helping them to win thr war, Armenia don't received any help from the West, they received limited help from Russia.

With the islamic populism growing with power with Erdogan, Turkey is getting far from Ataturk westernization and becoming closer to political islamism, there is even megalomaniac dreams of a new Ottoman Empire by some people there.

Turkey knows that the West will do nothing because EU is all talk and no action and NATO needs it's territory to prevent Russian expansion.

The problem is that the Russian Empire never really ended and NATO is the only thing on their way, and in fact several times Russian aircrafts crossed turkish airspace without asking any permission basically defying the turkish to try to shoot them.

Russia and Turkey diplomatic relationship is bad at least since the fall of Constantinople. The Orthodox Christians and Russian Government and military will not allow Erdogan to expand, they are awaiting Turkey do get angered and attack to justify a war of defense, Erdogan is restoring the pride of turkish people, but it's just this, pride, they are under frequent bullying by Russia, frequent arguing with the West and no true allies considering that Iran is Shia Muslims and Saudi Arabia considera the country so westernized to care about.

Amd just to remember, Turkey don't stand a chance alone against Russia, in fact even when they were the mighty Ottoman Empire basically ruling most of the islamic world with Greece and part of the Eastern Europe with they fearful Janissaries, the Russian Empire defeated then on all wars, they even lose to Cossacks alone thay made "The Cossacks Letter" a letter aimed to the sultan that asked them to surrender answering a lot of offensive things against Islam and Muhammed, they send their army and the cossacks victory was so great that the Russian Empire made a monument in tribute to it.

They lose in Lepanto, Vienna and even in their Golden Age don't have a chance against Russia losing several wars.

Joe Biden is right to say the truth about Armenian Genocide, a lot of syrians, lebanese and other Christian arabs came to Brazil with Ottoman passport fleeing persecution, until today "turkish" is used sometimes to designate somebody of arab origin for that, and we are stopping because the people with arab ascendent here consider an offense to be called turkish, because it is the imperialist power that oppressed them, the problem is that Turkey bullied Armenia again in 2020, and probably will answer by bullying it again, I hope Russia cares more about it's allies than the West do this time.

Totern wrote:

Well whatever is going on I pray for a civil resolution.  I hate to see fellow Catholics divided over trivial mortal issues when we should be unified group.

Everything I am asking is the uncensorship of a POST, and now the uncensorship of The Real Sovereign States and Oire posts, with a law to prevent arbitrary censorship like these to happen as they have no legal basis, if you put them under NS Moderation is certain that they will find nothing wrong in my post.

This new government is turning this RMB into a social media region, with all censorship, arbitrary rules and people caring more about what others may think than actual real conversation, I am not asking so much, I am just asking for a LAW, considering that my censorship was made with no specific law at all.

A Catholic ruler must be an example and be humble putting rules to prevent him/her from abuse by basically saying "I have total power over here and if you don't like it you may go out" it's the Catholic spirit of the community that is at stake here, it's not just a civil problem.

It remembers me the Brazilian Dictatorship, that I never lived, but I study it's motto.

"Brazil, love it or leave it."

This is not Catholic at all.

Prudentias wrote:

And Oire have the right to say what he said, it's outdated, scientifically proven wrong

To say it is scientifically wrong to state there are 3 main races at a time when it is also considered scientifically wrong to state there are 2 genders suits me fine.

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Anyway someone founded a new region (not me) in reaction to the ongoing squabble.

I'd rather settle there and decay than go through this all again, and again.

If there is an unending desire to control and moderate this region to certain standards then so be it.

Do your worst / best. But remember not all men want their words censored. And not all men want access to the thoughts of others controlled.

I hope that was dramatic enough.

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I bid youse adieu.

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David Alan Lloyd. 1948 - present. He's not even dead.

*tries to think of something to change the subject*

My list of questions to change the subject:

https://youtu.be/9S1EzkRpelY

Edit: Yes, yes, idk but two ideas are a psychologist or a priest, idk, no, I'm not very superstitious but I do have dumb habits that I know are pointless, idk, probably not, no, yes, yes, no, I couldn't if I tried because of covid, no, i guess,  no, yes, yes, no, no, no, no, yes, no.

Does the Church have an official teaching on the extermination of marsupials?

Oire wrote:
To say it is scientifically wrong to state there are 3 main races at a time when it is also considered scientifically wrong to state there are 2 genders suits me fine. 

*

Anyway someone founded a new region (not me) in reaction to the ongoing squabble.

I'd rather settle there and decay than go through this all again, and again.

If there is an unending desire to control and moderate this region to certain standards then so be it. 

Do your worst / best. But remember not all men want their words censored. And not all men want access to the thoughts of others controlled.

I hope that was dramatic enough.

*

I bid youse adieu.

*

David Alan Lloyd. 1948 - present. He's not even dead.

False correlation fallacy.

There is only two genders, but race is really a social invention, and I will put myself as an example.

I am a white in Brazil, but in USA I am a Latino, but not hispanic because my people speak portuguese.

What exist is ethnic backgrounds, to just divide it into asian, african and white is a dangerous reductionism, it don't explain the origin of the Australian natives, the turkish people, the New World indigenous, the finnish indigenous and the semitic jewish and arab ethnic gene pool.

There is a lot of problems on this theory Oire.

Kaiserlichen and Saint Spyridon

Someone can summarise to me what's happening? I have more things to do, and ones more fruitful to the Lord's work, than scrolling through a verbose (and apparently worthless) discussion on a video game.

Oire wrote:A below average English tennis player from the 1980's has turned the region against itself.

And who would that be?

United hispaniola

Attike wrote:Someone can summarise to me what's happening? I have more things to do, and ones more fruitful to the Lord's work, than scrolling through a verbose (and apparently worthless) discussion on a video game.

tl:dr
Someone said something that didn’t belong on here. The regional government took care of it. Some people took umbrage at the actions of the regional government. One of said people left.

Kaiserlichen and Attike

Wagafraga wrote:tl:dr
Someone said something that didn’t belong on here.

I say you have. Can you delete your comment, please?

United hispaniola

Attike

Wagafraga wrote:tl:dr
Someone said something that didn’t belong on here. The regional government took care of it. Some people took umbrage at the actions of the regional government. One of said people left.

I see.

Look, this website is full of modernists of all kinds, with a strong anti-Christian bias; because of that, our region serves as a beacon of Christendom on here. Therefore, certain subjects, even though relevant and pertinent to Church Social Doctrine, shouldn't be discussed on here, as to avoid scandalise the flock to whom we preach, as such topics are dividing and can, by the Enemy's design, obfuscate what is most important: religion should determine politics, not the opposite. Try and remember the fundamental caveat of the Mother Church's Social Doctrine: a Catholic Christian must renounce to all and any ideology, as they're based on arrogant human ideas, and accept only theology as a foundation for anything, as only Revealed Truth can be known with certainty, and even then subject all political topics to the convenience of God's glory, who is the only agenda of a Catholic.

Also obedience to leadership is important, because God revealed so: it's theology, as opposed to ideas of 'equality' and 'democracy' which are worldly ideologies and not principles or foundations of Social Doctrine. It doesn't matter what you think: this group isn't a democracy, and should not be.

Also, this is a casual game, so much that I'm not interested in ever joining a Discord for this (though I did in the past); if you think an online game is a fitting place to discuss anything in depth, or if you're too concerned about how the region's governed, I seriously counsel you to take some time off the game, and go read a spiritual book, or join a prayer group, and try to understand what's most relevant for a Catholic Christian's prayer life, instead of attempting to calvinistically discuss everything all the time, or trying to narcissistically force people to agree with you in issues which don't concern them.

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EDIT: unless you're roleplaying, of course. Then I seriously don't care.

Or should I say:

IC (in character): The law is the Founder and His will! Burn the dissenters!

OOC (out of character): Because a Constitution needs not be written, as was the case with every constitution before the demonic French Revolution. To this day England's constitution is customary, not a written text, and the Church had no single written constitution before the Codes of Canon Law in the 20th century.

Wagafraga and Kaiserlichen

The current government structure does not have a formal constitution but an amalgamation of laws as they develop into a tradition overtime. There is in fact a current proposal that will concretely outline decorum here and in the Core's Discord so I assure you that everything discussed above is being addressed.

Wagafraga and Attike

The Order on Decorum has been passed and pinned above in the Factbook for ease of viewing.

Omensa, Wagafraga, and Attike

Saint Michael The Archangel The problematic part of your suppressed post is point 3, quoted by the other fellow.

You're making a statement there that all minorities will automatically vote guilty and are unable to be impartial. That's the issue with your post. Suppression isn't anything other than cosmetic. Everyone can still read your posts. They just have to click the button to show it. It's not deleted, not edited.

Prudentias

This interpretation is dubious.

As a lawyer, in any jury trial there is a choose of person who will judge.

The question of the race on the jury is about sensibility of the jury, it is not giving a race any essentialism. It would be stupid to say that a jury will behave against the accused with basis on race, but it's not wrong if I say that the the jury may be chosen with basis on it's sensibilities, not race. That is why on rape accusations the lawyer choose mostly lone man and the persecutor choose woman, ask any lawyer. This is not the equivalent of saying that the womans will vote against the accused of rape just because it's a male.

In Law if there is a doubt, and this interpretation ia dubious:

"In dubio pro reo"

A fair court system must abide by this Law principle if there is doubt:

"In dubio pro reo"

In doubt, the interpretation must be those who will help the accused, that is me.

Even if it is cosmetic suppression it is a ladder that defy freedom of speech putting the entire region into a social media like self-censorship climate.

This is my argument of defense to the court, and a fair court must obey the principles of Law.

Emperor Svensgaard of The Star Kingdom of Prudentias.

This is embarrassing

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