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Oturia wrote:I was thinking, has anyone done a Wild West frontier style nation before?
Maybe I ve been playing too much red dead redemption, but a nation built on that western culture sounds interesting.

Back in the dark ages of the 1990s, there was a TV show called Sliders. In one episode Texas didn’t join the Union and had gained control of the southwest. It was a modern Western country. The thing I remember most was that lawyers were gunfighters and law cases were determined by a shootout in the street.

Athara magarat, Belle ilse en terre, and Thuzbekistan

Menna shuli wrote:https://youtu.be/feMwFuihX2o

I think I'd rather be a cowboy, I think I'd rather ride the reins.
I think I'd rather be a cowboy, than to lay me down in love and ladies chains.

Oturia wrote:I was thinking, has anyone done a Wild West frontier style nation before?
Maybe I ve been playing too much red dead redemption, but a nation built on that western culture sounds interesting.

While it's possible to have a nation (well, quasi nation given the near anarchic state of the Wild West) that functions in that manner, it's going to be difficult to import the aesthetic of the Wild West in the modern day.

In the case of just Oturia, I can see a scenario where the government wields the most control along the eastern (more specifically, the northeastern) coast with the hilly/mountainous interior being on the edge of civilization and then the western/southern woodlands being almost entirely out of the control of the central government aside military bases and settlements. The only thing that I see generally going south is that the general lawlessness of the interior would prompt the international community to do something to bring order, especially as you get closer to the borders of the Wellasian Argive Colonies and the South Argus Canal.

Belle ilse en terre

Dormill and Stiura wrote:While it's possible to have a nation (well, quasi nation given the near anarchic state of the Wild West) that functions in that manner, it's going to be difficult to import the aesthetic of the Wild West in the modern day.

In the case of just Oturia, I can see a scenario where the government wields the most control along the eastern (more specifically, the northeastern) coast with the hilly/mountainous interior being on the edge of civilization and then the western/southern woodlands being almost entirely out of the control of the central government aside military bases and settlements. The only thing that I see generally going south is that the general lawlessness of the interior would prompt the international community to do something to bring order, especially as you get closer to the borders of the Wellasian Argive Colonies and the South Argus Canal.

But it is possible?

Oturia wrote:But it is possible?

It'd take a massive retcon in order to create a nation that to this day still doesn't have control over most of its land. But yes, it is possible.

Dormill and Stiura wrote:It'd take a massive retcon in order to create a nation that to this day still doesn't have control over most of its land. But yes, it is possible.

F*co it I'm rethinking my hole nation and reworking from the ground up.

Well it's a lovely afternoon isn't it.

Dormill and Stiura wrote:It'd take a massive retcon in order to create a nation that to this day still doesn't have control over most of its land. But yes, it is possible.

He could also do a situation where various paramilitary groups are vying for control of the area, and just the culture of the land is midwestern. basically a wild west of Afghanistan or some Balkan places.

Markhovia wrote:He could also do a situation where various paramilitary groups are vying for control of the area, and just the culture of the land is midwestern. basically a wild west of Afghanistan or some Balkan places.

Importing the culture of the Wild West is hard enough, that kind of political situation would be begging for an international intervention that few people can properly handle in an RP sense. What I had described is a best case scenario based on the existing political situations in South Argus.

In all honesty, South Argus is one of the most potent sub-regions in TWI for conflict and instability what with the many different cultures and nations out there and plenty of valuable land and resources. Adding in an unstable state would be a good idea to spur people to write more stories in the area.

Dormill and Stiura wrote:Importing the culture of the Wild West is hard enough, that kind of political situation would be begging for an international intervention that few people can properly handle in an RP sense. What I had described is a best case scenario based on the existing political situations in South Argus.

In all honesty, South Argus is one of the most potent sub-regions in TWI for conflict and instability what with the many different cultures and nations out there and plenty of valuable land and resources. Adding in an unstable state would be a good idea to spur people to write more stories in the area.

Speaking of, what do you think of my sudden idea for a nation? A kingdom that has hints of Fabian society socialism. I also want to create an extensive rp conflict with you guys that sets a communist force against an international liberation army.

Markhovia wrote:Speaking of, what do you think of my sudden idea for a nation? A kingdom that has hints of Fabian society socialism.1 I also want to create an extensive rp conflict with you guys that sets a communist force against an international liberation army.2

1: Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it could use a lot more development in conjunction with how your kingdom works.
2: This kind of RP has been done to death in every region I've been in, even TWI suffers from it infrequently. I wouldn't support this kind of an RP personally because it is frankly boring but I won't stop you from trying to do one yourself.

Markhovia

As for the second part, the conflict will happen in either the 20's or 30's, during the time when Communist forces that were extremely hardline and had a Trotsky copycat in power coup'd that nation and took control. During this time the kingdom had a massive imperial army which now fell under communist flag. The army would start to be used to raid and to try and incite neighboring nations to a communist revolution. Although there is opposition. Like Caesar to the senate in Rome, a general that has been exiled years prior by the king for being too republican and willing to support Republican politicians is willing to work with foreigners. (until that point the nation will be extremely nationalist and jingoist.) This general was exiled to holding control over just the border guards in the northern regions and the surrounding island colonies, which were notorious for rebels and insurrectionists in that area. The general of course helps mold the soldiers in his command into a extremely hardcore elite fighting force loyal to him and the state rather than the government.

Dormill and Stiura wrote:1: Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it could use a lot more development in conjunction with how your kingdom works.
2: This kind of RP has been done to death in every region I've been in, even TWI suffers from it infrequently. I wouldn't support this kind of an RP personally because it is frankly boring but I won't stop you from trying to do one yourself.

Well don't read my other post then...

I'm glad my brand of Communism came around in 1952 and not the bolshevik era

Athara magarat, Markhovia, and Azubaja

Thuzbekistan wrote:I'm glad my brand of Communism came around in 1952 and not the bolshevik era

What seperates your form against Marxism and Leninism? What are the differences?Bolshevik communism was just a less moderate more radical form than the Mensheviks. Bolshevik had more supporters at the crucial times. Bolshevik and Menshevik in Russian literally means majority and minority.

(For reference I am not a socialist or communist myself.)

Azubaja

Thuzbekistan wrote:I'm glad my brand of Communism came around in 1952 and not the bolshevik era

Markhovia wrote:What seperates your form against Marxism and Leninism? What are the differences?Bolshevik communism was just a less moderate more radical form than the Mensheviks. Bolshevik had more supporters at the crucial times. Bolshevik and Menshevik in Russian literally means majority and minority.

(For reference I am not a socialist or communist myself.)

My fellow communist nations, me must not fight amongst ourselves, but against those darn capitalists

Azubaja wrote:Once I'm on the map, is there any socialist/communist alliances I could join or socialist nations to rp with?

Glorious Nezaeva is socialist.

Azubaja wrote:My fellow communist nations, me must not fight amongst ourselves, but against those darn capitalists

Really m8. Did you not read at all.

Markhovia wrote:Really m8. Did you not read at all.

oh i thought that you meant you personally aren't socialist, my bad

Azubaja wrote:oh i thought that you meant you personally aren't socialist, my bad

my nation also only has hints of fabian society socialism, that doesnt make me socialist.
Sorry to get your hopes up though.

Thuzbekistan

Markhovia wrote:What seperates your form against Marxism and Leninism? What are the differences?Bolshevik communism was just a less moderate more radical form than the Mensheviks. Bolshevik had more supporters at the crucial times. Bolshevik and Menshevik in Russian literally means majority and minority.

(For reference I am not a socialist or communist myself.)

My nations socialism is very much it's own system. If youd like to see how mine works, you can read my econ factbook or my overview factbook. But essentially, it's a federal network of unions in a failed attempt to create a democratically managed economy. But it was extremely inefficient so it's been more centralized over the years. Hasnt fixed the issues with a managed economy tho.

I'm also not a communist.

Markhovia

Thuzbekistan wrote:My nations socialism is very much it's own system. If youd like to see how mine works, you can read my econ factbook or my overview factbook. But essentially, it's a federal network of unions in a failed attempt to create a democratically managed economy. But it was extremely inefficient so it's been more centralized over the years. Hasnt fixed the issues with a managed economy tho.

I'm also not a communist.

Highly interesting. I will give it a read, thank you.

Oturia wrote:But it is possible?

I mean it is possible the key would be what parts you bring into the modern world.
For example you can take the fierce independence from cowboys and make a libertarian style gov that holds very little power and with few cities. But have a mostly agrarian population that is heavily armed. Most industry would be around farming and maybe mining. Would probably trend towards conservative values. Have some remnants of old west still legal like maybe prostitution, or allowing civil claims to be solved through duels or something like that.
Would actually be a pretty interesting concept, but nothing like that Sliders TV shows with lawyers solving cases with shootouts, or anything crazy like that.

Oturia wrote:I was thinking, has anyone done a Wild West frontier style nation before?
Maybe I ve been playing too much red dead redemption, but a nation built on that western culture sounds interesting.

I've literally played for 6 hrs. I don't do anything, just explore the beautiful map. :) I love Northern West Elizabeth and Ambarino. Why am I so into it?

Wellsia wrote:Back in the dark ages of the 1990s, there was a TV show called Sliders. In one episode Texas didn’t join the Union and had gained control of the southwest. It was a modern Western country. The thing I remember most was that lawyers were gunfighters and law cases were determined by a shootout in the street.

I was like 2 when it ended.

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