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oh neato, I guess we are
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Btw 
Dormill and Stiura every nation's name on the map has a meaning. It was worth moving the map update up 3 years just for that.
Oh wow
Vancouvia Isn't the common courteousy to rp collaboratively, and make sure both sides agree to do something before say claiming sovereignty over their territory. It's a real d*ck move to do this without even any previous warning. Not even sure if I will recognise it as canon, as its a god-mod.
Belle ilse en terre did you have any consultation about this? Because it breaches convention, and possibly regional rules.
I mean, Vancouvia has always been strongly entrenched in the I.D. So much so that I consider him someone that should be able to make some large RP effects in that area. Like what is done is Lovsk or Arvan. So long as it is open ended and there is RP to come of it. It can be interesting. This will be interesting. The last time this happened the I.D gained much needed development.
Which sidenote, I'd like to discuss when the League was founded as I believe that that would be a good time for the I.D to come into being. With a side thing as who gave up the land for the I.D as it would make sense that it was a part of decolonization in the wake of the Imperial war. Likely Noronica as a show of good faith but who knows. I would like to discus that.Vancouvia, 
Noronica, Thuzbekistan, 
Miklania, etc.
Athara magarat and Noronica
I'm meaning the Sawneeak bit, which was the equivalent of China claiming micronesia including Guam and stuff. That'd be an act of war in most nation's books
It's a claim, not actual action. It's meant to send a message, it isn't the equivalent of actually moving military onto each of the islands. The Svalbardian government could do the same right now and it would be allowable.
Yeah but in a cooperative rp environment its a massive dick move, especially when it messes with other ppls rp plans. You got annoyed when someone claimed that one of your citizens did something in another country, but are ok with Van claiming ownership of my territory without the common courtesy to mention that something like that was happening, right before an election in my country which will clearly have a massive effect on my politics?
People would have been massively pissed if the EUSR started randomly claiming islands, especially without any rp built reason or consultation.
I don't know. I can understand a bit, and Vancouvia probably should have talked about it a bit, but I fail to see how it would have major consequences. Along with that, in owning black territory there should be a readiness for stuff to happen. It's the same as how I am in the process of finding a storyline to continue to the Wake Islands with in the fallout of what happened earlier this year and the history I am creating.
However, the nature of the Sawneeak Atoll is inherently competitive. It is meant to be similar to the islands of the South China Sea in that every nation there believes itself to be the rightful owner of the islands.
I could understand your concern if this was Mik as who would want to fight his mega garrison, but this is Van’s Pelican Island that contains 50 troops. Even his article suggests that the media is confused, as the claim came out of nowhere.
I felt like this with Arván at first when Dorm created Presidential candidates that openly declared a desire to rule Arván. Then it occurred to me that it was just a claim and that I was still in charge of the RP. On the flip side, there is also a bit of leeway as bolded territories have always been special in that there are meant to be fluid.
True, if Van suddenly began invading other islands of the Atoll then it would be war, but his Congress is merely pulling a China/Philippines/Taiwan,etc. by trying to assert their claim.
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If I'm honest, the whole "it's a bolded territory so this is what's supposed to happen," is kinda annoying for me. If this was some new member doing this, everyone would just say "you can't do that" and it would be recommend, but when Van does it, on account of his seniority in the region, we make excuses. This is not constructive worldbuilding, nor co-operative rp. In my circumstance, Van has, with no IC reason or justification whatsoever, claimed that a territory which has been part of Negarakita for longer than Vancouvia has existed, is part of his nation. No Nation would ever do that. The South China Sea analogy makes no sense either. Vancouvia is hundreds of miles away (with continents in the way), China has historical ties to those islands, and most of all they're literally uninhabited. Dulung has thousands of inhabitants, a developed tourist scene, university campus, and military base. It's something which makes no sense to be done, but we'll just let it slide because "that's what those territories are for". Never mind that I had plans for the island which would have potentially involved losing it. At least with Arvan, its a land border and there's history there, but this one makes no sense. And even then, Dorm should have talked with you about it. Black territories are for building rp and expanding the region's canon in meaningful ways. "You should accept stuff to happen" doesn't mean that massive things should be sprung on you.
And I'm sorry but how on earth would this has "no major impact". Dulung is a part of Negarakita in the eyes of the entire population. This would give strength to anti-Vancouvian politicians, meaning that my radical parties would gain a boost. So at the very least that forces me to make a few posts and change my election results. But then he goes on to say that this is their old position. Negarakita would in no way be friendly towards a state which has been claiming it's land. This means I need to change my foreign policy alignments (as before now Negarakita has always been a pretty western-aligned nation) towards different nations, need to change political things, and it basically means that Negarakita will now most likely have to be virulently anti Vancouvia and anti MSTO, as they're apparently big fans of Vancouvia. And so Negarakita is now unwillingly an anti-western nation, so I can kiss the whole "Center of trade and commerce" idea goodbye, and might as well have kept going towards an Islamic Republic. Think about how much anti China sentiment there would be if they unilaterally claimed that Hawaii was theirs.
If there was some discussion beforehand, I'd be open to some kind of rp like this. But springing it on me without any consideration for other people's plans or even any valid justification irritates me. The fact that people are leaping to the defence of godmodding and bad rp behaviour just because it's a senior member frustrates me as well.
While I am happy to debate this and concede to some of the points you have raised, please do not jump to conclusions. I could care less about Van’s position as Vancouvia is just another IC country. This point is not only unwarranted, but degrading.
By the by, Noronica is more than likely going to support Negarakita and the other nations in the Atoll as it does not want to destroy the fragile truce between the other claimants. This will not lead to a rift in Noro-Vancouvian relations, as I envision the Noronnican reaction would be to play down this new claim as just another act of posturing by a claimant.
I’ll say it again, Vancouvia has a very small stake in the islands compared to the other claimants. I am guessing that ICly, Van would not want claimants banding together to bring it down. Ergo, I am going to treat this as just another act of posturing.
Also, the South China Sea analogy is correct because Taiouan designed it to be exactly that. Many of the other claimants are in the exact same position as Van, even Norstham who is in the Mesder! I thought it was generally understood that the claimants are constantly skirting around each other’s waters in petty attempts to show dominance over the region, and that is not just due to historical legitimacy, but a desire to control the area for modern needs.
Another thing, Noronica is on the brink of collapse. I understand the position you are in, as Noronica really does not need a foreign crisis. That is why I am going to play the claim down as I am sure Van intended. His news post describes his Congress wanting to purchase the islands, the other claimants might just scoff back, it is up to the claimants. He is not threatening military action as he is not in a position to do so.
You are right, perhaps Van should have made it quite clear that he wanted to renew his nation’s claim on the Atoll, and I hope that the two of you can come to an understanding. I just wanted to let you know that you have the opportunity to just treat this as a normal day at the office scenario and not as a major calamity.
Twitter from prisdent Valerio over Vancouvia involvement with Gael 
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AinslieDormill and Stiura
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I agree with most if what you are saying, but I do think the consequences of the news post should have been, and still need to be, sorted out. This scenario is not unlike my pseudo-war with D&S, which I also announced through a news post with no meaningful co-ordination.
For the sake of canonical continuity, we do need to sort this out though, so that our collective rp can continue.
Noronica and Almorea
Well good morning? What's going on?
Post by Ambassedoria suppressed by Noronica.
Hello fellow nations!
I come from the region of Ante Meridiem to humbly ask if you would like to join us. We have room for whoever wants to come, and we have an easy way to participate in our government! Please come stop by for more details
I suppose this makes sense, I was impulsive because Neg debased my argument by implying that I was favouring Van over everyone else. I would have agreed with most of what he had said had he not disregarded my points so flippantly. However, I agree with the both of you that this did come from nowhere and if an invested side of the RP is discontent with the state of play as they were not prepared and they do not consent, (Neg does have valid reasons not to) then RP rules are that we must work something out.
I will not withdraw what I said as I feel I do have some valid points to raise, but I agree that this does need to be sorted out.
From what I can gather, advertising is not permitted on the RMB here. If I was wrong, please can one of the other officers tell me and I will un-suppress.
Ambassedoria - As Ainslie said, it is generally not accepted to advertise other regions on an RMB unless they explicitly consent to it. I believe some of the Pacific regions allow it, but always check if you are allowed. I apologise for harming what were likely good intentions, but it does come across as rather rude to try and take away members of our cherished community.
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