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I mean the real question is:
Is Armentieux going to support this new 4 house citizens legislature proposal I'm writing with Supreme Leader Brototh?

Toerana V wrote:I mean the real question is:
Is Armentieux going to support this new 4 house citizens legislature proposal I'm writing with Supreme Leader Brototh?

As we all know the EC is a political tool. Armen rigs elections in my favour, I reappoint him- quid pro quo. He will support my proposals /s

Toerana V and Armentieux

No concerns whatsoever with the nominee, I’m sure they will do a fine job and they have my full support

No concerns from my side, although I would like the candidate to elaborate on their "regional advertisements" if possible. Besides that my only question is if we the people will finally recieve popcorn during the election results.

Armentieux

Senators, we have begun voting on the nomination of Armentieux for Election Commissioner.

Aye

Antenion (IND)
Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap sculgief (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye

Results:
Aye (7) Ashlawn Antenion Cerdenia Dendrobium Ermica Pap sculgief Toerana V
Nay (0)
Abstain (0)

Armentieux's nomination for Election Commissioner has been approved by the Senate and will be sent to the House.

Senators, we have begun debate on the Motion to Reduce the Senate - April 2021.

Author: Brototh
Co-authors: Dendrobium, Marvinville
Sponsor: XXX

Noting that the reduction of the Senate has caused major political upheavel in the region,
Believing a third party's motion, which is unrelated to the other two, is the best solution to reduce argument to a minimum,
Convinced that the reduction of the Senate is imperative,
Knowing that a house divided against itself cannot stand,

Congress, united, hereby agrees:

Section I - The Senate is reduced from a total of 9 seats to a total of 7 seats.

Section I: The Senate and the House of Commons must pass this motion with a 2/3rds majority approval.
Section II: Shall this motion receive a 2/3rds majority approval by both chambers of Congress, it requires a regional referendum to pass with a 3/5th majority approval.
Section III: Upon passage of this motion, The Electoral Commissioner shall start the process of creating a regional referendum. The title of the referendum shall be Motion to Reduce the Senate. The referendum shall have 2 options, labelled Aye for support of the reduction and Nay for opposition of the reduction.

Section I: Article I of this motion must be applied to the subsequent Senate election to the ratification of this motion by public referendum.

Read dispatch

Indian genius, Brototh, Toerana V, Dendrobium, and 2 othersMarvinville, and Armentieux

When the first motion was proposed, I thought that it was a matter of common sense that we reduce the size of the Senate, that this reduction was absolutely necessary. I was wrong however. As the Senate currently stands, having only 7 seats due to two vacancies, I now notice the harm that such a reduction would cause to the general debating process of this chamber.

I believe that this term for the Senate has had an awful start, and has been fairly inactive when compared to previous terms. Of course, there are many reasons to this, most notably the nominations we now have to deal with, seeing as those usually tend to have less debate anyways. A contributing factor however, is the two vacancies we have had pretty much ever since this Senate was inaugurated. Less senators means less debate, this is a fact known for a long time, the Senate also used to be inactive way back when this region was founded and it only had 5 seats due the region having much smaller population. With the region having remained on a stable number of around 340~ to 370~ nations for the past few months however, I think it's silly to consider a move which will make politics worse at a time where population has remained stable.

I'll be voting nay to the motion.

I can understand Cerd’s point, and it is concerning, however I do think that there are a number of other reasons for less activity in the Senate this term. One of the reasons is the fact that many bills and confirmations that have entered the Senate have been of a very good standard, and really there has been no point to a debate, and we’ve seen this countless times, so I don’t think that just blaming the Senate size for inactivity doesn’t show the whole picture.

That being said, I generally support the motion, as I feel that it makes elections more competitive, and makes the distinction between the Senate and the House more explicit, as at the moment, there is only a difference of 2 seats. I plan to vote aye, based on the last Senate election, and the current trend of newcomers who could potentially run for the Senate. We have to be wary about activity, like Cerd pointed out, however I don’t think that size is the main problem, and so we just need to be wary and aware of the potential activity situation. I plan to vote aye unless I am persuaded to vote otherwise.

Islonia and Dendrobium

Didn't we have to vote on debating the motion first?

Regardless, I proposed this to end the stupid deadlock between the House and Senate that is plaguing our region with just endless and needless toxicity. If you wanna vote Nay on this one because you disagree based on policy- that's fine by me. Just wanted to say for the record this was only proposed because something had to be done.

If this passes, great. If it doesn't, then there's no need for any more arguments about it. Personally I encourage an Aye vote on the motion, but honestly, at this rate, I don't really care.

Dendrobium

Technically yes, but last time something similar happened and the pre-first-vote stage was then regarded as a debate on how to vote on the motion's acceptance-to-debate vote. Confusing and probably unnnecessary, yes, but I suppose we will just roll with it.

Personally I do not agree with the statement that a reduction to seven seats will somehow be catastrophic to the activity and quality of Senate business. As mentioned, a lot of bills brought before this chamber recently have simply been of good quality and could count on near-unanimous support of Senators. Besides that, the reasoning that more people equals more activity is clearly flawed, for which I refer to the House of Commons, which rarely reaches contribution of more that three out of eleven members. So taking a comparison with that, and the actual fact that we have recently been quite busy with nominations/confirmation in mind, it is safe to say a reduction would not be harmful to the productivity and work delivered by the Senate. So, to conclude, unless if one does not favor a reduction out of ideological beliefs, there is no reason to oppose this motion.

Dendrobium wrote:Technically yes, but last time something similar happened and the pre-first-vote stage was then regarded as a debate on how to vote on the motion's acceptance-to-debate vote. Confusing and probably unnnecessary, yes, but I suppose we will just roll with it.

Take a shot every time Dendro says vote and debate

Pap sculgief and Dendrobium

Senators, we have begun voting on whether to advance the Motion to Reduce the Senate - April 2021.

Author: Brototh
Co-authors: Dendrobium, Marvinville
Sponsor: XXX

Noting that the reduction of the Senate has caused major political upheavel in the region,
Believing a third party's motion, which is unrelated to the other two, is the best solution to reduce argument to a minimum,
Convinced that the reduction of the Senate is imperative,
Knowing that a house divided against itself cannot stand,

Congress, united, hereby agrees:

Section I - The Senate is reduced from a total of 9 seats to a total of 7 seats.

Section I: The Senate and the House of Commons must pass this motion with a 2/3rds majority approval.
Section II: Shall this motion receive a 2/3rds majority approval by both chambers of Congress, it requires a regional referendum to pass with a 3/5th majority approval.
Section III: Upon passage of this motion, The Electoral Commissioner shall start the process of creating a regional referendum. The title of the referendum shall be Motion to Reduce the Senate. The referendum shall have 2 options, labelled Aye for support of the reduction and Nay for opposition of the reduction.

Section I: Article I of this motion must be applied to the subsequent Senate election to the ratification of this motion by public referendum.

Read dispatch

Aye

Antenion (IND)
Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap sculgief (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Aye

Aye

Aye

Senators, we have begun the final debate on the Motion to Reduce the Senate - April 2021.

Author: Brototh
Co-authors: Dendrobium, Marvinville
Sponsor: XXX

Noting that the reduction of the Senate has caused major political upheavel in the region,
Believing a third party's motion, which is unrelated to the other two, is the best solution to reduce argument to a minimum,
Convinced that the reduction of the Senate is imperative,
Knowing that a house divided against itself cannot stand,

Congress, united, hereby agrees:

Section I - The Senate is reduced from a total of 9 seats to a total of 7 seats.

Section I: The Senate and the House of Commons must pass this motion with a 2/3rds majority approval.
Section II: Shall this motion receive a 2/3rds majority approval by both chambers of Congress, it requires a regional referendum to pass with a 3/5th majority approval.
Section III: Upon passage of this motion, The Electoral Commissioner shall start the process of creating a regional referendum. The title of the referendum shall be Motion to Reduce the Senate. The referendum shall have 2 options, labelled Aye for support of the reduction and Nay for opposition of the reduction.

Section I: Article I of this motion must be applied to the subsequent Senate election to the ratification of this motion by public referendum.

Read dispatch

Antenion (IND)
Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap sculgief (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Dendrobium

Bad

Senators, we have begun the final vote on the Motion to Reduce the Senate - April 2021.

Author: Brototh
Co-authors: Dendrobium, Marvinville
Sponsor: XXX

Noting that the reduction of the Senate has caused major political upheavel in the region,
Believing a third party's motion, which is unrelated to the other two, is the best solution to reduce argument to a minimum,
Convinced that the reduction of the Senate is imperative,
Knowing that a house divided against itself cannot stand,

Congress, united, hereby agrees:

Section I - The Senate is reduced from a total of 9 seats to a total of 7 seats.

Section I: The Senate and the House of Commons must pass this motion with a 2/3rds majority approval.
Section II: Shall this motion receive a 2/3rds majority approval by both chambers of Congress, it requires a regional referendum to pass with a 3/5th majority approval.
Section III: Upon passage of this motion, The Electoral Commissioner shall start the process of creating a regional referendum. The title of the referendum shall be Motion to Reduce the Senate. The referendum shall have 2 options, labelled Aye for support of the reduction and Nay for opposition of the reduction.

Section I: Article I of this motion must be applied to the subsequent Senate election to the ratification of this motion by public referendum.

Read dispatch

Aye

Antenion (IND)
Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap sculgief (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Reject Reduction, return to democracy

Nay

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