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Hey, guess what? It's time for a long awaited Zentari poll! Come vote now!
You just gotta love the reasoning behind the second choice (which apparently is the most popular one), "Trump did untold damage to our democracy, so we must therefore in response make it illegal for the people to choose their preferred leader via vote."
'We must protect our democracy by destroying our democracy.'
You are correct that more people aren't being killed for the purpose and the cell lines date back to the 70s. That said, I would point out the problem of complicity: participating in someone else's sin/crime is wrong even if it is in the past, as is indirectly encouraging using illegal methods (via natural law) to achieve perceived goods.
Now I think the Catholic Church strikes the right position here: the original sin is distant enough, and your connection to it distant enough, that you do not commit as sin by receiving the vaccine, but it is still best encourage vaccines that have no involvement with that evil than those that are developed/grown inside cells derived from that evil.
I also think it is fairly creepy to use cells from someone who was killed and did not donate them and, even worse, for companies like Johnson & Johnson/Jansen to claim trademarks on one of the cell lines like they can own the genetic material taken from someone's kidneys.
As implied in what I have already said, I don't agree that just because no one else is being actively killed or there is no chance to bring back those killed for these ends, that it is okay to partake or support without reservations. As another example, I would similarly avoid using the data taken from the deal struck with Unit 731, even if the unit is gone and no further humans are being killed/tortured. The means used to get that data and these cell lines were fundamentally immoral and should not tolerated by society. Pepsi was boycotted for the same reason about a decade ago, and they stepped back.
That's what makes this so hard, and is why I have not been able to get myself to a clear position. I think that I hesitantly would use that information, but hesitantly not the vaccine, off the idea that it's more about incentivization than the 'purity' of the information. What was done in both cases would be evil, but the Nazi experiment evil is one which there is both near-universal agreement that such behavior is wrong, and such behavior is not going on today and is very unlikely to occur again, at least in the Western world, therefore there's little perceived sanction given by using that data. For abortion harvesting, that is something that is still going on today and which many consider acceptable, so there's significantly more sanction/encouragement given by using such.
To put it another way (though the metaphor is imperfect), I don't really have moral qualms about buying from Nazi-founded Volkswagen today, but I would have significantly more buying from a car company that was actively promoting and/or funding abortion. If we had a situation where Nazi experimentation was being practiced and defended by corporations in the modern day, then my answer would change, I think there's some weight that should be put on whether what is being discussed is ongoing or functionally dead-and-gone, and thus whether one's choices are likely to have any impact on the future or not. If Christians en masse refused to use products created with data from Nazi experiments, society would just keep not doing Nazi experiments, but if Christians did the same for abortion-derived products, then there's a solid chance that they would back away.
Or at least that's my rough take on it, I'm still sitting at least partially on the fence about this.
This isn't even theoretical, of course.
For example we know that paracetamol and penicillin are very safe in pregnancy. We know this because the nazis were evil enough to do tests.
Most medicines we have now we don't know for sure that they're safe in pregnancy as we can no longer ethically do those trials.
Knowing that we only know paracetamol and penicillin to be pregnancy safe because of unethical moral experiments, is it okay to use that knowledge as doctors? Or should that knowledge be suppressed because it was derived unethically?
Indeed, should we refuse to act on that knowledge if we already know it?
To swing this back to the vaccine, is it immoral to use a vaccine which uses a process that involves HEK293 cells? These cells are descendants of kidney cells from an aborted foetus but they are not the actual cells.
As a thought experiment replace abortion with adult murder victim. If in the 1970s we had harvested the cells of a murder victim (who was killed, but not killed FOR those cells) would it be immoral to use those cell's descendants?
I think, continuing with the rough thoughts I had above, that the important point is that adult murder was and is illegal, so there's no perceived aid lent to something that is still being carried out in the present without sanction.
It's difficult to come up with another example since killing has been at least de jure illegal through American history, but perhaps something like imagining that we are in an extraordinarily racist society where lynching an adult black person was and is legally permitted, and the cells were taken from that victim. That such evil acts were still occurring and could occur again for such reasons would make me hesitant to use a product derived from such.
Rep. Ro Khanna, who graduated from Yale, has a net worth of 27 million dollars and has never run a business in his life, has said that "we don't want" small businesses that cannot afford to pay $15/hour, and has since doubled down on the comments.
(As per standard operating procedure, because a Democrat said something controversial, the headline is "Republicans pounce", the GOP 'targeted' and 'seized on' the remarks. That trend to make every Democrat misstep headlined as a Republican pouncing and every Republican misstep just be a straight headline focused on the GOP has gone from a somewhat amusing 'hey, look at that' to a constant ridiculous display of media partisanship, but that's beside the point.)
I mentioned this earlier when the proposed wage increase was brought up, but this just hammers it home: the issue has gone from one of debating economic efficiency to one of apparent open disdain and scorn for small business owners. Khanna, a multi-multi-millionaire who lives in a city with a median income over $100,000, has assured everyone that small businesses even in rural areas can "thrive" paying the wage, which he knows because of his extensive hands-on experience in small-town America from his career as a Yale-educated lawyer who married the daughter of a investment firm tycoon. As earlier mentioned, $15/hour is higher than the median income in the state of Mississippi. The wage in Mississippi is the equivalent of requiring a minimum wage of nearly $40/hour for 7-11 workers by Khanna in San Jose.
There is out-of-touch, and there is actively spiteful, and I think that boundary has been crossed. A man luxuriating in the top 1% with his elite education in one of the wealthiest cities in the country declaring that Bill's Bait and Tackle should be boarded up and cast aside because does not meet his exacting standards-after arguably the single worst year for small business in the history of the United States-is a microcosm of this ugly new political elitism.