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Emazia wrote:You have my support regardless, but for the sake of transparency, what do you want to do as EC?

Priority number one is getting the midterm completed reasonably on schedule. Once I'm confirmed, there may be a few changes based on what my predecessor left me (mainly whether I have access to his voter rolls; I'll likely switch to requiring voters TG or DM me a code after voting, at least for this election). I'll also bug some more people to run, make sure I have a competent DEC/AEC in case something happens to me, and see if I can't bug Congress to pass my amendment to the EC act (the one that removes the RNG from redistribution).

Emazia

Even though I have some disagreements with the nominee when it comes to policy, they're extremely qualified for the position and have my full support.

Senators, we have begun voting on the nomination of Rhyssuan peoples for the position of Electoral Commissioner.

Aye

Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap sculgief (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Abstain

Aye

Aye

Aye

Results:
Aye (7) Ashlawn Cerdenia Dendrobium Emazia Ermica Pap sculgief Sevae
Nay (0)
Abstain (1) Toerana V

Rhyssuan peoples nomination for Election Commissioner has been approved by the Senate and will be sent to the House.

Senators, we have begun debate on the Removal of Shadow Positions and Caucuses Act.

Removal of Shadow Positions and Caucuses Act
Authors: Pap sculgief
Sponsors: Pap sculgief, Dendrobium

Preamble:

Understanding that in both chambers of Thaecian Congress, the positions of Deputy and Shadow Speaker/Chairman both co-exist;

Believing that the position of Deputy has provided more back-up and emergency support to the Speaker/Chairman than the position of Shadow;

Recognising that the positions of Shadow Speaker or Chairman were designed and introduced to compensate for a political climate that was focused on 'majority vs opposition' in the chambers of congress, however that political climate is no longer present;

Considering that if that is the case, then there is a lack of need for official recognition of caucuses and caucus leaders as well

Congress hereby agrees:


i. Repeals LR.027 The Shadow Speaker Act

i. Removes Articles VI and VII from LR.024 The House Procedures Act
ii. Renames all following articles to VII in LR.024 to fit accordingly

i. Removes Article VI from LR.037 Senate Procedures Act
ii. Renames all following articles to VI in LR.037 to fit accordingly

i. As stated in LR.024 and LR.037, due to this bill amending procedures in both chambers of congress, this bill requires a 2/3rds majority in both chambers of Congress in order for it pass

Read dispatch

Full Support. Shadow Roles are meaningless.

Post self-deleted by Cerdenia.

Waste of time, Shadow Positions don't even harm this legislature in any way. Has the Chairman really got no agenda at all?

I would like to propose the following amendments, all sponsored by me:

Amends Article I to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Repeals Reinforces support for LR.027 The Shadow Speaker Act

Amends Article II to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Articles VI and VII from LR.024 The House Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VII in LR.024 to fit accordingly

Amends Article III to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Article VI from LR.037 Senate Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VI in LR.037 to fit accordingly

Ashlawn

In full support of this bill. The Shadow Positions are a total waste of space on the WFE's and serve no purpose at all. Their only "tasks" are already being taken on by deputies and the idea behind the Shadow Positions are no longer up to date or relevant. Additionally, I honestly find it rather ironic that someone who always advocates against "useless bills" or "bills that literally do nothing" is now advocating in favor of an in fact useless position that does literally nothing.

I absolutely support this bill, as the death of partisanship has made shadow positions irrelevant.

Dendrobium wrote:Additionally, I honestly find it rather ironic that someone who always advocates against "useless bills" or "bills that literally do nothing" is now advocating in favor of an in fact useless position that does literally nothing.

The fact that I'm the only senator not in coalition with the Chairman, and doing opposition to him, proves this is false.

Cerdenia wrote:The fact that I'm the only senator not in coalition with the Chairman, and doing opposition to him, proves this is false.

Supporting one in becoming Chair doesn't mean "going into coalition" with them. Pretty sad, actually, that you see yourself as the only on in the right here. That you have the feeling only by being Shadow Chair yourself you could ever possibly do opposition in a Congress without even any real set in stone coalitions. And lets just for a moment suppose you are in fact the only one on the right here; lets take a look at what that might mean. Proposing rediculous amendments to a bill you already find useless, only lengthening to time needed to be spent on this topic by doing so? Not very consistent with your outspoken mentality of wanting to spend as little time as possible on every small topic. Besides that, if you wish to keep the Shadow Positions, mind telling us, what exactly have you done as Shadow these last few months? We already got past the opposition argument, that's not worth much, so what is left? Regularly insulting other Congresspeople and the Chair for not doing their job isn't something you need a hollow title for. Proposing amendments like the above ones certainly isn't helpful for the Congressional Process either and only hinders it from doing it's important tasks. So, please, give just one good reason to keep your current amendments and much desired postion.

Dendrobium wrote:Supporting one in becoming Chair doesn't mean "going into coalition" with them. Pretty sad, actually, that you see yourself as the only on in the right here. That you have the feeling only by being Shadow Chair yourself you could ever possibly do opposition in a Congress without even any real set in stone coalitions. And lets just for a moment suppose you are in fact the only one on the right here; lets take a look at what that might mean. Proposing rediculous amendments to a bill you already find useless, only lengthening to time needed to be spent on this topic by doing so? Not very consistent with your outspoken mentality of wanting to spend as little time as possible on every small topic. Besides that, if you wish to keep the Shadow Positions, mind telling us, what exactly have you done as Shadow these last few months? We already got past the opposition argument, that's not worth much, so what is left? Regularly insulting other Congresspeople and the Chair for not doing their job isn't something you need a hollow title for. Proposing amendments like the above ones certainly isn't helpful for the Congressional Process either and only hinders it from doing it's important tasks. So, please, give just one good reason to keep your current amendments and much desired postion.

Cause I'm god

If possible I would like to move on to the abolition of the presidency next, it's also pretty much useless.

Cerdenia wrote:If possible I would like to move on to the abolition of the presidency next, it's also pretty much useless.

I concur

Senators, we have begun voting on the following amendments.

Amends Article I to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Repeals Reinforces support for LR.027 The Shadow Speaker Act

Amends Article II to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Articles VI and VII from LR.024 The House Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VII in LR.024 to fit accordingly

Amends Article III to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Article VI from LR.037 Senate Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VI in LR.037 to fit accordingly

Nay to All

Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap sculgief (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Abstain to all, the laws being amended are going to be repealed soon anyway

Aye to all

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