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Alexander martel wrote:(Selena is a cyborg/synthetic robot, but he bodily functions are the same, she just doesn't have to eat, sleep, drink, etc.)

"I dont have a preference. Anything that is not hot though, it messes with my internal functions."

King James II: Alright, water it is then.
A butler brings in a glass of water
King James II: Alright lets began this meeting

Yazakhastan and Alexander martel

Yazakhastan wrote:Yazakhastan hears news of the secession but does nothing

Oh my

Franco-british-american empire we have lost contact with neo-rome!

Ternocitic leigzondiantis

Ternocitic leigzondiantis wrote:Morning KOE!

Hello

Ternocitic leigzondiantis

Kingdom Of Englands wrote:Hello

what did I miss?

Yazakhastan is calling on all acquaintances and allies for assistance! We have lost contact with Neo-Rome
Orange Creek
Joeanian republic
Isle of epic
Just porymonia
We need assistance

Ternocitic leigzondiantis

Yazakhastan wrote:Yazakhastan is calling on all acquaintances and allies for assistance! We have lost contact with Neo-Rome
Orange Creek
Joeanian republic
Isle of epic
Just porymonia
We need assistance

can I be an ally?

Kingdom Of Englands, Yazakhastan, and Alexander martel

Ternocitic leigzondiantis wrote:what did I miss?

A lot of RP

Alexander martel and Ternocitic leigzondiantis

Ternocitic leigzondiantis wrote:can I be an ally?

Do you have land on the rp maps?

Kingdom Of Englands and Alexander martel

Ternocitic leigzondiantis

Yazakhastan wrote:Do you have land on the rp maps?

yes

Kingdom Of Englands, Yazakhastan, and Alexander martel

Ternocitic leigzondiantis

Kingdom Of Englands wrote:A lot of RP

how much? Was there anything too important?

Kingdom Of Englands and Alexander martel

Orange Creek wrote:The star ships you are trying to sell me as viable will most definitely be immobile from a relative perspective. You're trying to create an infinite scenario in which the larger the ship, the better its armor, the stronger the thrusters need to be. There are two issues with this argument. Firstly, larger vessels no matter how fast will be less maneurverable than smaller vessels, and as I will state later on, they will take damage much, much easier, and will take heavy damage no matter what. Secondly, thruster technology will have its limits, your argument relies on this infinite series in which a continuous onslaught of newer, stronger thruster technology will ensure the continued viability of massive star ships.

I rescind my argument regarding the AAs turning 360 degrees. That was a misworded statement on my part, as I had only taken into account the three dimensions while failing to account for the fact that 360 degrees is a two-dimensional issue. I wanted to emphasize however, that a laser system for AA would still not work for the reasons stated above. A missile will hit, and a ton of missile will definitely hit too. Large starships are not viable.

On the subject of black and white globes, these are technology present on the FWO. Please note that the maximum technological threshold is 700 SA, and the tech displayed on the SA chart is a good guidance of what tech is reasonable at this point. So yes, there is no viable method to defend against a concentrated laser beam, especially if your crossfire is that massive.

Your third point completely misses the point. I am not disregarding the fact that space warfare has an added dimension to it, I am simply stating that weapons that hit will cause damage. Therefore, one would opt to reduce the chances that they would take damage more than anything else. Yes we have FTL technology, but FTL is used for travel alone. Space warfare should not be conducted while both ships are engaged in FTL travel, that most likely lead to disaster. Your final statement also creates a neverending "tanking" scenario, easily countered by previously mentioned laser systems.

Your comparison of a cruiser and a corvette would not be an applicable argument for military effectivity, as a corvette would surely not attempt to combat a cruiser alone. In fact, a cruiser's role is also very different from a corvette. But let's presume this argument is valid. A corvette will lose perhaps in terms of their supposed "HP bar", but in terms of firepower it is ultimately the same. A corvette and a cruiser, both facing each other starboard, directly firing into each other, will cripple both. Yes by percentage the corvette will take more damage, but both would be damaged beyond repair. A modern day ship cannot withstand direct, clean hits from modern day weaponry. Do not treat a larger surface area as if it were an HP bar, this is not how vessels work.

Lastly, you also misuse my last argument. I argued that your starships, which you envision as being gigantic, would emit massive heat and would therefore be guaranteed hits. Smaller ships would emit much less heat, and would be easier to divert away from projectiles.

A starship, by definition, is any ship capable of interstellar travel. Now I can start to build around that. A ship capable of doing that needs a big power source, something like fusion or antimatter. Utilizing this power source opens up lots of possibilities, since we are focusing on the size of war ships specifically, To be clear, the biggest of starships should not exceed 3 miles at their absolute maximum, you mistake my usage of a ships surface area for their HP. The more surface area a ships hull has, the more weapons are able to fit on top of it, giving it more firepower. Bigger ship = more firepower capacity, in the event of a 1v1 which is unlikely I agree, the ship with more guns will have (bear with me) a better chance of winning. I don’t need to go over all the weapon tech and shielding tech, thats irrelevant, this discussion is over the need to have large ships, and the point of using them at all.

To answer the original statement of “I don’t see the point of larger ships” A larger ship is always surrounded by the fleet of smaller ships, their job is to protect the larger ship, the purpose of having big ships is to both intimidate and have heavy weapons. When I say larger ship, I don’t mean massive planetary size ships, I mean cruisers and carriers, that should never be more than two times the size of the smallest ships. The smaller ships around the bigger ship take care of all the noise, while a big ship has one job only, normally attacking a specific thing, my big ships have an ion cannon, a single ion cannon that takes a lot of time to charge, that I fire at one specific thing and leave, all I need is enough armor and shields and surrounding ships to not die before I can fire the ion cannon. That is the purpose of having big ships, they are not juggernaughts, they are easily destroyed, but they usually carry big guns. The only time a big ship is effective, is in a big fleet, surrounded my smaller ships.

Missiles still remain the most effective weapon, but they also are large and you can’t hold as many, they run out quick and at least half can be countered. They do lots of damage, and can quickly cripple a ship, I have six variants of missiles I use in my ships and they are my secondary weapon in battle, space warfare ultimately comes down to tactic, and who stays alive long enough to destroy the other fleet. Big ships and small ships have different purposes and should be used only when necessary, bigger ships tend to be less useful and don’t need to be used as often, which is nice because they are more expensive.

Zarbik, Kingdom Of Englands, and Alexander martel

Ternocitic leigzondiantis

Ternocitic leigzondiantis wrote:how much? Was there anything too important?

Did Gonk stab me?

Kingdom Of Englands and Alexander martel

Ternocitic leigzondiantis wrote:yes

Sure

Kingdom Of Englands and Alexander martel

Alexander martel

Kingdom Of Englands wrote:King James II: Alright, water it is then.
A butler brings in a glass of water
King James II: Alright lets began this meeting

*Selena takes the water from the butler*

"Thank you."

*She takes a sip, and turns to James*

"Yes. My master wishes to form relationships with our fellow UN allies. Too long Alexandria has stood apart from the world."

Ternocitic leigzondiantis wrote:how much? Was there anything too important?

I dont think so

Alexander martel

Alexander martel wrote:*Selena takes the water from the butler*

"Thank you."

*She takes a sip, and turns to James*

"Yes. My master wishes to form relationships with our fellow UN allies. Too long Alexandria has stood apart from the world."

King James II: Agreed, I would like to be allies.

Alexander martel

Just porymonia

Yazakhastan wrote:Yazakhastan is calling on all acquaintances and allies for assistance! We have lost contact with Neo-Rome
[nationrange Creek[/nation]
Oeanian republic
[nationslE Of ePiC[/nation]
Just porymonia
We need assistance

hm?

Kingdom Of Englands and Alexander martel

Alexander martel

Monarche wrote:A starship, by definition, is any ship capable of interstellar travel. Now I can start to build around that. A ship capable of doing that needs a big power source, something like fusion or antimatter. Utilizing this power source opens up lots of possibilities, since we are focusing on the size of war ships specifically, To be clear, the biggest of starships should not exceed 3 miles at their absolute maximum, you mistake my usage of a ships surface area for their HP. The more surface area a ships hull has, the more weapons are able to fit on top of it, giving it more firepower. Bigger ship = more firepower capacity, in the event of a 1v1 which is unlikely I agree, the ship with more guns will have (bear with me) a better chance of winning. I don’t need to go over all the weapon tech and shielding tech, thats irrelevant, this discussion is over the need to have large ships, and the point of using them at all.

To answer the original statement of “I don’t see the point of larger ships” A larger ship is always surrounded by the fleet of smaller ships, their job is to protect the larger ship, the purpose of having big ships is to both intimidate and have heavy weapons. When I say larger ship, I don’t mean massive planetary size ships, I mean cruisers and carriers, that should never be more than two times the size of the smallest ships. The smaller ships around the bigger ship take care of all the noise, while a big ship has one job only, normally attacking a specific thing, my big ships have an ion cannon, a single ion cannon that takes a lot of time to charge, that I fire at one specific thing and leave, all I need is enough armor and shields and surrounding ships to not die before I can fire the ion cannon. That is the purpose of having big ships, they are not juggernaughts, they are easily destroyed, but they usually carry big guns. The only time a big ship is effective, is in a big fleet, surrounded my smaller ships.

Missiles still remain the most effective weapon, but they also are large and you can’t hold as many, they run out quick and at least half can be countered. They do lots of damage, and can quickly cripple a ship, I have six variants of missiles I use in my ships and they are my secondary weapon in battle, space warfare ultimately comes down to tactic, and who stays alive long enough to destroy the other fleet. Big ships and small ships have different purposes and should be used only when necessary, bigger ships tend to be less useful and don’t need to be used as often, which is nice because they are more expensive.

Fight, fight, fight, fight!

Ternocitic leigzondiantis wrote:Did Gonk stab me?

I assure you, we don't just stab one person when we're taking over a nation

Zarbik, Kingdom Of Englands, and Alexander martel

Just porymonia wrote:hm?

We have lost contact with our capital city

Kingdom Of Englands and Alexander martel

Alexander martel

Kingdom Of Englands wrote:King James II: Agreed, I would like to be allies.

"Great. We also wish to form embassies with England, and possibly your ally, Wooloos."

Yazakhastan wrote:We have lost contact with our capital city

Revolutionaries have taken it over

Kingdom Of Englands and Alexander martel

Ternocitic leigzondiantis

MLGDogeland wrote:I assure you, we don't just stab one person when we're taking over a nation

welp...

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